Good article from Jake Trotter.
Can OU and UT save the Big 12 and do they want to?
I think this captures reality. OU and UT could save the league by working towards common goals, but they really aren't interested in that anymore. The other leagues offer greater benefits so they're letting the league die on the vine.
As stated in the article, both want to wined and dined like Kevin Durant was this summer.
Just get it over with already. Let everyone realign and make their 100-year decisions.
(10-07-2016 08:03 AM)murrdcu Wrote: [ -> ]Just get it over with already. Let everyone realign and make their 100-year decisions.
Hear! Hear! It's been obvious since 2012 that Texas and OU weren't interested in additions beyond the 2 that were necessary to keep their TV contracts operational. Then it was a waiting game to see if the ACC was picked apart. With the new ACC GOR it became clear who would be standing when the music stopped. So adios Big 12!
(10-07-2016 03:34 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ] (10-07-2016 08:03 AM)murrdcu Wrote: [ -> ]Just get it over with already. Let everyone realign and make their 100-year decisions.
Hear! Hear! It's been obvious since 2012 that Texas and OU weren't interested in additions beyond the 2 that were necessary to keep their TV contracts operational. Then it was a waiting game to see if the ACC was picked apart. With the new ACC GOR it became clear who would be standing when the music stopped. So adios Big 12!
Hopefully this October meeting opens some eyes and gets this bounded marriage the divorce it needs. Probably going to need the fan bases to push this thing along.
Divorce always hurts the kids the most.
(10-07-2016 06:16 PM)AllTideUp Wrote: [ -> ]Divorce always hurts the kids the most.
The kids are all like a hundred years old and stuff
Texas and Oklahoma will not end up in the same conference.
(10-07-2016 08:46 PM)XLance Wrote: [ -> ]Texas and Oklahoma will not end up in the same conference.
Agreed. I can see Texas staying in the b12 under the right conditions.
(10-07-2016 09:18 PM)vandiver49 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-07-2016 08:46 PM)XLance Wrote: [ -> ]Texas and Oklahoma will not end up in the same conference.
Agreed. I can see Texas staying in the b12 under the right conditions.
You can hate me now, but I'm afraid you are going to be puckering up for another Big Orange in the SEC West. It's a distinct possibility. And in spite of all of UT's bloviation to the contrary it is the only way for them to regain a semblance of dominance within their own state and they know it. The recruiting and viewing swing in the Lone Star state is keeping Austin up at nights. In the end they are going to have to choose between the SEC and ACC because ESPN holds the cows leash until 2031.
If they go ACC, even as a partial, they have some travel expenses that go up (though that shouldn't be a big deal for Texas) and they still don't reclaim the branding advantage over the Aggies. I don't want Texas but I'm telling you guys they could compromise with ESPN to get into the SEC. It restores their rivalries and their status and they know it. And if ESPN told the SEC to take them we would. The A&M president could abstain, but that would be about it.
I'd love to take just OU and Kansas and call it a day, but it probably won't, and can't, happen that way. FOX is involved too. So Rocky Top Big Orange might yet have to share the spectrum with Texas Big Burnt Orange. So be warned. What lies ahead may finally convince those who doubt, that the networks are indeed in charge.
The final mystery here is why a school like TCU would be strongly against expansion.
Who's taking them? Who else is going? Is it possible they are satisfied with a "Decent 12" rather than a "Big 12?"
If Texas and Kansas go to the SEC, OU to the B1G, WVU to the ACC then what other dominoes fall?
SEC
East: Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Kentucky, Georgia, South Carolina, Florida
West: Texas, Texas A&M, Arkansas, LSU, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Missouri, Kansas
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B1G
East: Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Penn State, Maryland, Rutgers, UConn
West: Oklahoma, Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Northwestern, Illinois, Purdue
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ACC
Atlantic: Miami, Notre Dame, West Virginia, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Boston College, Virginia Tech, Louisville
Coastal: Florida State, Georgia Tech, Clemson, North Carolina, NC State, Duke, Wake Forest, Virginia
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PAC 12
North: Washington, Washington State, Oregon, Oregon State, California, Stanford
South: UCLA, USC, Arizona, Arizona State, Utah, Colorado
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Big 12
East: UCF, USF, Cincinnati, Iowa State, Houston, Baylor
West: BYU, Colorado State, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, TCU, Texas Tech
(10-07-2016 09:29 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ] (10-07-2016 09:18 PM)vandiver49 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-07-2016 08:46 PM)XLance Wrote: [ -> ]Texas and Oklahoma will not end up in the same conference.
Agreed. I can see Texas staying in the b12 under the right conditions.
You can hate me now, but I'm afraid you are going to be puckering up for another Big Orange in the SEC West. It's a distinct possibility. And in spite of all of UT's bloviation to the contrary it is the only way for them to regain a semblance of dominance within their own state and they know it. The recruiting and viewing swing in the Lone Star state is keeping Austin up at nights. In the end they are going to have to choose between the SEC and ACC because ESPN holds the cows leash until 2031.
If they go ACC, even as a partial, they have some travel expenses that go up (though that shouldn't be a big deal for Texas) and they still don't reclaim the branding advantage over the Aggies. I don't want Texas but I'm telling you guys they could compromise with ESPN to get into the SEC. It restores their rivalries and their status and they know it. And if ESPN told the SEC to take them we would. The A&M president could abstain, but that would be about it.
I'd love to take just OU and Kansas and call it a day, but it probably won't, and can't, happen that way. FOX is involved too. So Rocky Top Big Orange might yet have to share the spectrum with Texas Big Burnt Orange. So be warned. What lies ahead may finally convince those who doubt, that the networks are indeed in charge.
I wouldn't hate you for it, as you said it would be ESPN telling the SEC to jump. While I get the control the Mouse has over the Longhorns, I'm not sure how moving to the SEC helps them out. They get A&M and Arky back and maybe they drag TT along with them, but in the end they are playing fewer games in Texas. I'm hoping Texas arrogance and pride will prevail. Longhorns to the B1G!
Edit: I don't follow 'crutin in any way and while I can imagine some erosion by A&M and SEC, how can Texas backslide that much?
(10-07-2016 09:29 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ] (10-07-2016 09:18 PM)vandiver49 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-07-2016 08:46 PM)XLance Wrote: [ -> ]Texas and Oklahoma will not end up in the same conference.
Agreed. I can see Texas staying in the b12 under the right conditions.
You can hate me now, but I'm afraid you are going to be puckering up for another Big Orange in the SEC West. It's a distinct possibility. And in spite of all of UT's bloviation to the contrary it is the only way for them to regain a semblance of dominance within their own state and they know it. The recruiting and viewing swing in the Lone Star state is keeping Austin up at nights. In the end they are going to have to choose between the SEC and ACC because ESPN holds the cows leash until 2031.
If they go ACC, even as a partial, they have some travel expenses that go up (though that shouldn't be a big deal for Texas) and they still don't reclaim the branding advantage over the Aggies. I don't want Texas but I'm telling you guys they could compromise with ESPN to get into the SEC. It restores their rivalries and their status and they know it. And if ESPN told the SEC to take them we would. The A&M president could abstain, but that would be about it.
I'd love to take just OU and Kansas and call it a day, but it probably won't, and can't, happen that way. FOX is involved too. So Rocky Top Big Orange might yet have to share the spectrum with Texas Big Burnt Orange. So be warned. What lies ahead may finally convince those who doubt, that the networks are indeed in charge.
You can hate me now if you want JR, because the truth is going to sting a little
The SEC will get Tejas.....but, the SEC will also take West Virginia.
The ACC will bow to Notre Dame's geography and take Cincinnati to go along with the Irish.
UConn's only hope is to latch on with the B1G to join Oklahoma.
Kansas, I'm afraid fails to launch, but stays with the remnants of the Big 12.
(10-08-2016 06:50 AM)XLance Wrote: [ -> ] (10-07-2016 09:29 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ] (10-07-2016 09:18 PM)vandiver49 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-07-2016 08:46 PM)XLance Wrote: [ -> ]Texas and Oklahoma will not end up in the same conference.
Agreed. I can see Texas staying in the b12 under the right conditions.
You can hate me now, but I'm afraid you are going to be puckering up for another Big Orange in the SEC West. It's a distinct possibility. And in spite of all of UT's bloviation to the contrary it is the only way for them to regain a semblance of dominance within their own state and they know it. The recruiting and viewing swing in the Lone Star state is keeping Austin up at nights. In the end they are going to have to choose between the SEC and ACC because ESPN holds the cows leash until 2031.
If they go ACC, even as a partial, they have some travel expenses that go up (though that shouldn't be a big deal for Texas) and they still don't reclaim the branding advantage over the Aggies. I don't want Texas but I'm telling you guys they could compromise with ESPN to get into the SEC. It restores their rivalries and their status and they know it. And if ESPN told the SEC to take them we would. The A&M president could abstain, but that would be about it.
I'd love to take just OU and Kansas and call it a day, but it probably won't, and can't, happen that way. FOX is involved too. So Rocky Top Big Orange might yet have to share the spectrum with Texas Big Burnt Orange. So be warned. What lies ahead may finally convince those who doubt, that the networks are indeed in charge.
You can hate me now if you want JR, because the truth is going to sting a little
The SEC will get Tejas.....but, the SEC will also take West Virginia.
The ACC will bow to Notre Dame's geography and take Cincinnati to go along with the Irish.
UConn's only hope is to latch on with the B1G to join Oklahoma.
Kansas, I'm afraid fails to launch, but stays with the remnants of the Big 12.
X we've passed on WVU twice and for good reason. I just don't think we go there. I agree that Kansas is in the most dicey situation of the top brands in the Big 12, but that is due more to the Big 10's present penetration into their markets. They don't need Kansas to carry the state.
I can see the ACC taking Cincinnati too. In many ways it is a preemptive strike at the Big 10 that would garner more future protection from the Big 10. By forcing Delany to play defense in Ohio you tie him up a bit to the East. And it would more than counter UConn for the Big 10. It's a smart move and one I was hoping that either the ACC or Big 12 made. There are better second fiddles to play than W.V.U. at this time.
(10-07-2016 09:29 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ] (10-07-2016 09:18 PM)vandiver49 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-07-2016 08:46 PM)XLance Wrote: [ -> ]Texas and Oklahoma will not end up in the same conference.
Agreed. I can see Texas staying in the b12 under the right conditions.
You can hate me now, but I'm afraid you are going to be puckering up for another Big Orange in the SEC West. It's a distinct possibility. And in spite of all of UT's bloviation to the contrary it is the only way for them to regain a semblance of dominance within their own state and they know it. The recruiting and viewing swing in the Lone Star state is keeping Austin up at nights. In the end they are going to have to choose between the SEC and ACC because ESPN holds the cows leash until 2031.
If they go ACC, even as a partial, they have some travel expenses that go up (though that shouldn't be a big deal for Texas) and they still don't reclaim the branding advantage over the Aggies. I don't want Texas but I'm telling you guys they could compromise with ESPN to get into the SEC. It restores their rivalries and their status and they know it. And if ESPN told the SEC to take them we would. The A&M president could abstain, but that would be about it.
I'd love to take just OU and Kansas and call it a day, but it probably won't, and can't, happen that way. FOX is involved too. So Rocky Top Big Orange might yet have to share the spectrum with Texas Big Burnt Orange. So be warned. What lies ahead may finally convince those who doubt, that the networks are indeed in charge.
If Texas joined, the LHN would have to be converted into the SEC West Network
could make a ton of money that way with two channel subscriptions.
(10-08-2016 09:55 AM)murrdcu Wrote: [ -> ] (10-07-2016 09:29 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ] (10-07-2016 09:18 PM)vandiver49 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-07-2016 08:46 PM)XLance Wrote: [ -> ]Texas and Oklahoma will not end up in the same conference.
Agreed. I can see Texas staying in the b12 under the right conditions.
You can hate me now, but I'm afraid you are going to be puckering up for another Big Orange in the SEC West. It's a distinct possibility. And in spite of all of UT's bloviation to the contrary it is the only way for them to regain a semblance of dominance within their own state and they know it. The recruiting and viewing swing in the Lone Star state is keeping Austin up at nights. In the end they are going to have to choose between the SEC and ACC because ESPN holds the cows leash until 2031.
If they go ACC, even as a partial, they have some travel expenses that go up (though that shouldn't be a big deal for Texas) and they still don't reclaim the branding advantage over the Aggies. I don't want Texas but I'm telling you guys they could compromise with ESPN to get into the SEC. It restores their rivalries and their status and they know it. And if ESPN told the SEC to take them we would. The A&M president could abstain, but that would be about it.
I'd love to take just OU and Kansas and call it a day, but it probably won't, and can't, happen that way. FOX is involved too. So Rocky Top Big Orange might yet have to share the spectrum with Texas Big Burnt Orange. So be warned. What lies ahead may finally convince those who doubt, that the networks are indeed in charge.
If Texas joined, the LHN would have to be converted into the SEC West Network could make a ton of money that way with two channel subscriptions.
Yes we would, but I think it will be bigger than that. I think Charlotte becomes headquarters to the ACC South and SEC East. The LHN becomes headquarters for the SEC West and Bristol becomes headquarters for the ACC North. The 3 SEC dedicated channels and the LHN are converted to cover the 4 divisions of both conferences and the two networks are bundled.
I think this happens provided that N.D. goes all in with the ACC. The two conferences set up scheduling agreements and the Sugar Bowl becomes an ACC/SEC champs match up at year's end and the first round of the CFP.
ESPN controls it all, sublets FOX games from the ACC & SEC that can air on their networks and essentially starts to broker college content.
That said I think it is time that the Conferences start considering their own strategies. Let's say that instead of 16 we went to 18 and divided into 3 divisions of 6 each. Make those divisions compelling and what's to say next time around the SEC could market each division to networks separately.
For instance if the West had: Arkansas, Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, and Texas A&M how much would that division be worth to a network?
If the central had: Alabama, Auburn, L.S.U., Ole Miss, Miss State, and Vanderbilt how much would that be worth?
In the East: Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina, and Tennessee. That should bring some bucks as well.
At some point we have to be able to get the networks to bid against each other, and even if just one lands all three it drives up the value.
(10-08-2016 10:21 AM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ] (10-08-2016 09:55 AM)murrdcu Wrote: [ -> ] (10-07-2016 09:29 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ] (10-07-2016 09:18 PM)vandiver49 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-07-2016 08:46 PM)XLance Wrote: [ -> ]Texas and Oklahoma will not end up in the same conference.
Agreed. I can see Texas staying in the b12 under the right conditions.
You can hate me now, but I'm afraid you are going to be puckering up for another Big Orange in the SEC West. It's a distinct possibility. And in spite of all of UT's bloviation to the contrary it is the only way for them to regain a semblance of dominance within their own state and they know it. The recruiting and viewing swing in the Lone Star state is keeping Austin up at nights. In the end they are going to have to choose between the SEC and ACC because ESPN holds the cows leash until 2031.
If they go ACC, even as a partial, they have some travel expenses that go up (though that shouldn't be a big deal for Texas) and they still don't reclaim the branding advantage over the Aggies. I don't want Texas but I'm telling you guys they could compromise with ESPN to get into the SEC. It restores their rivalries and their status and they know it. And if ESPN told the SEC to take them we would. The A&M president could abstain, but that would be about it.
I'd love to take just OU and Kansas and call it a day, but it probably won't, and can't, happen that way. FOX is involved too. So Rocky Top Big Orange might yet have to share the spectrum with Texas Big Burnt Orange. So be warned. What lies ahead may finally convince those who doubt, that the networks are indeed in charge.
If Texas joined, the LHN would have to be converted into the SEC West Network could make a ton of money that way with two channel subscriptions.
Yes we would, but I think it will be bigger than that. I think Charlotte becomes headquarters to the ACC South and SEC East. The LHN becomes headquarters for the SEC West and Bristol becomes headquarters for the ACC North. The 3 SEC dedicated channels and the LHN are converted to cover the 4 divisions of both conferences and the two networks are bundled.
I think this happens provided that N.D. goes all in with the ACC. The two conferences set up scheduling agreements and the Sugar Bowl becomes an ACC/SEC champs match up at year's end and the first round of the CFP.
ESPN controls it all, sublets FOX games from the ACC & SEC that can air on their networks and essentially starts to broker college content.
That said I think it is time that the Conferences start considering their own strategies. Let's say that instead of 16 we went to 18 and divided into 3 divisions of 6 each. Make those divisions compelling and what's to say next time around the SEC could market each division to networks separately.
For instance if the West had: Arkansas, Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, and Texas A&M how much would that division be worth to a network?
If the central had: Alabama, Auburn, L.S.U., Ole Miss, Miss State, and Vanderbilt how much would that be worth?
In the East: Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina, and Tennessee. That should bring some bucks as well.
At some point we have to be able to get the networks to bid against each other, and even if just one lands all three it drives up the value.
Who's your 18th in that scenario?
(10-08-2016 06:50 AM)XLance Wrote: [ -> ] (10-07-2016 09:29 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ] (10-07-2016 09:18 PM)vandiver49 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-07-2016 08:46 PM)XLance Wrote: [ -> ]Texas and Oklahoma will not end up in the same conference.
Agreed. I can see Texas staying in the b12 under the right conditions.
You can hate me now, but I'm afraid you are going to be puckering up for another Big Orange in the SEC West. It's a distinct possibility. And in spite of all of UT's bloviation to the contrary it is the only way for them to regain a semblance of dominance within their own state and they know it. The recruiting and viewing swing in the Lone Star state is keeping Austin up at nights. In the end they are going to have to choose between the SEC and ACC because ESPN holds the cows leash until 2031.
If they go ACC, even as a partial, they have some travel expenses that go up (though that shouldn't be a big deal for Texas) and they still don't reclaim the branding advantage over the Aggies. I don't want Texas but I'm telling you guys they could compromise with ESPN to get into the SEC. It restores their rivalries and their status and they know it. And if ESPN told the SEC to take them we would. The A&M president could abstain, but that would be about it.
I'd love to take just OU and Kansas and call it a day, but it probably won't, and can't, happen that way. FOX is involved too. So Rocky Top Big Orange might yet have to share the spectrum with Texas Big Burnt Orange. So be warned. What lies ahead may finally convince those who doubt, that the networks are indeed in charge.
You can hate me now if you want JR, because the truth is going to sting a little
The SEC will get Tejas.....but, the SEC will also take West Virginia.
The ACC will bow to Notre Dame's geography and take Cincinnati to go along with the Irish.
UConn's only hope is to latch on with the B1G to join Oklahoma.
Kansas, I'm afraid fails to launch, but stays with the remnants of the Big 12.
I don't see why we would take West Virginia over Kansas.
(10-08-2016 10:21 AM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ] (10-08-2016 09:55 AM)murrdcu Wrote: [ -> ]If Texas joined, the LHN would have to be converted into the SEC West Network could make a ton of money that way with two channel subscriptions.
Yes we would, but I think it will be bigger than that. I think Charlotte becomes headquarters to the ACC South and SEC East. The LHN becomes headquarters for the SEC West and Bristol becomes headquarters for the ACC North. The 3 SEC dedicated channels and the LHN are converted to cover the 4 divisions of both conferences and the two networks are bundled.
I think this happens provided that N.D. goes all in with the ACC. The two conferences set up scheduling agreements and the Sugar Bowl becomes an ACC/SEC champs match up at year's end and the first round of the CFP.
ESPN controls it all, sublets FOX games from the ACC & SEC that can air on their networks and essentially starts to broker college content.
That said I think it is time that the Conferences start considering their own strategies. Let's say that instead of 16 we went to 18 and divided into 3 divisions of 6 each. Make those divisions compelling and what's to say next time around the SEC could market each division to networks separately.
For instance if the West had: Arkansas, Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, and Texas A&M how much would that division be worth to a network?
If the central had: Alabama, Auburn, L.S.U., Ole Miss, Miss State, and Vanderbilt how much would that be worth?
In the East: Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina, and Tennessee. That should bring some bucks as well.
At some point we have to be able to get the networks to bid against each other, and even if just one lands all three it drives up the value.
In order to fund 2 networks, we might have to go beyond even 18.
I won't propose my 24 team model at this point though...
I know you have to split the money more ways the larger you grow, but we pretty much have just enough content to market currently on the SECN. Of course, the LHN is woefully under stocked so combining the two does pose an issue as far as what goes where.
Of course, there's the obligation to fill 1st and 2nd Tier slots on ESPN itself. ESPN won't detract from their own inventory in order to provide better content for an SECN 2 if you will.
I'm thinking if we hit 20 though and it was the right 20 then a network that focused on 10 each might be a pretty strong combo.