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We really are turning into a banana republic.

Remember - requiring people to show an ID when they vote is racist.

The closest election margin within the last century was 1960 when Kennedy beat Nixon by a margin of 112,827 popular votes. Even if all 20 votes were cast for a single candidate, it would've made no difference in the election. That's small potatoes.
As the fairfax democrat pointed out, they wouldn't have been able to fraudulently vote that many times if they tried. The conspiracy theory that there's some large scale voter fraud and that's why we need voter ID laws has no basis in fact.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-...ter-fraud/

What is factual is that Voter ID laws DO discriminate against traditionally democratic voters and I promise you that more than 20 people in Virginia alone would be negatively impacted by such laws and unable to vote. The homeless, racial minorities who are traditionally in a lower socioeconomic class and can't take off from work or can't afford to, or can't afford the fees associated with getting an ID. College students are transient in their physical addresses and less likely to update their IDs. I'm not in favor of putting up hurdles in front of any types of voter demographics when the negative impact outweighs the fairly small scale issue of voter fraud cases.

I do hope the person(s) involved in this particular case receive proper justice if they are found to have committed voter fraud and credit to the registration office employee for catching it on the forms. I'm glad to see they're doing their due diligence.

I hope all the dead people voted for Kahlid

(09-30-2016 10:27 AM)Potomac Wrote: [ -> ]The closest election margin within the last century was 1960 when Kennedy beat Nixon by a margin of 112,827 popular votes. Even if all 20 votes were cast for a single candidate, it would've made no difference in the election. That's small potatoes.
As the fairfax democrat pointed out, they wouldn't have been able to fraudulently vote that many times if they tried. The conspiracy theory that there's some large scale voter fraud and that's why we need voter ID laws has no basis in fact.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-...ter-fraud/

What is factual is that Voter ID laws DO discriminate against traditionally democratic voters and I promise you that more than 20 people in Virginia alone would be negatively impacted by such laws and unable to vote. The homeless, racial minorities who are traditionally in a lower socioeconomic class and can't take off from work or can't afford to, or can't afford the fees associated with getting an ID. College students are transient in their physical addresses and less likely to update their IDs. I'm not in favor of putting up hurdles in front of any types of voter demographics when the negative impact outweighs the fairly small scale issue of voter fraud cases.

I do hope the person(s) involved in this particular case receive proper justice if they are found to have committed voter fraud and credit to the registration office employee for catching it on the forms. I'm glad to see they're doing their due diligence.

This. Voter identity fraud doesn't happen at any rate that some would have us believe. It may not seem like it to some, but the fact is, millions are disenfranchised when we require things like voter IDs. We all scoff at the idea of poll taxes, but that is essentially what requiring a voter ID is. The right to vote isn't, and should not be, contingent upon anything other than you being a citizen of the United States. Full stop.

(09-30-2016 11:48 AM)jmu14 Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-30-2016 10:27 AM)Potomac Wrote: [ -> ]The closest election margin within the last century was 1960 when Kennedy beat Nixon by a margin of 112,827 popular votes. Even if all 20 votes were cast for a single candidate, it would've made no difference in the election. That's small potatoes.
As the fairfax democrat pointed out, they wouldn't have been able to fraudulently vote that many times if they tried. The conspiracy theory that there's some large scale voter fraud and that's why we need voter ID laws has no basis in fact.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-...ter-fraud/

What is factual is that Voter ID laws DO discriminate against traditionally democratic voters and I promise you that more than 20 people in Virginia alone would be negatively impacted by such laws and unable to vote. The homeless, racial minorities who are traditionally in a lower socioeconomic class and can't take off from work or can't afford to, or can't afford the fees associated with getting an ID. College students are transient in their physical addresses and less likely to update their IDs. I'm not in favor of putting up hurdles in front of any types of voter demographics when the negative impact outweighs the fairly small scale issue of voter fraud cases.

I do hope the person(s) involved in this particular case receive proper justice if they are found to have committed voter fraud and credit to the registration office employee for catching it on the forms. I'm glad to see they're doing their due diligence.

This. Voter identity fraud doesn't happen at any rate that some would have us believe. It may not seem like it to some, but the fact is, millions are disenfranchised when we require things like voter IDs. We all scoff at the idea of poll taxes, but that is essentially what requiring a voter ID is. The right to vote isn't, and should not be, contingent upon anything other than you being a citizen of the United States. Full stop.

How do you assure that someone is a living U.S. citizen on election day without some form of ID?

(09-30-2016 10:27 AM)Potomac Wrote: [ -> ]The closest election margin within the last century was 1960 when Kennedy beat Nixon by a margin of 112,827 popular votes. Even if all 20 votes were cast for a single candidate, it would've made no difference in the election. That's small potatoes.
As the fairfax democrat pointed out, they wouldn't have been able to fraudulently vote that many times if they tried. The conspiracy theory that there's some large scale voter fraud and that's why we need voter ID laws has no basis in fact.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-...ter-fraud/

What is factual is that Voter ID laws DO discriminate against traditionally democratic voters and I promise you that more than 20 people in Virginia alone would be negatively impacted by such laws and unable to vote. The homeless, racial minorities who are traditionally in a lower socioeconomic class and can't take off from work or can't afford to, or can't afford the fees associated with getting an ID. College students are transient in their physical addresses and less likely to update their IDs. I'm not in favor of putting up hurdles in front of any types of voter demographics when the negative impact outweighs the fairly small scale issue of voter fraud cases.

I do hope the person(s) involved in this particular case receive proper justice if they are found to have committed voter fraud and credit to the registration office employee for catching it on the forms. I'm glad to see they're doing their due diligence.

What a crock. Everybody is a victim. You make it out that it only affects Democrats. There are so many ways to vote nowadays that anyone who wants to vote can. You have to have an I.D. to do anything. If the privilege of voting isn't important enough for you to get an id, then don't vote.

I was embarrassed this morning when on National news JMU was mentioned as being involved with voter registration fraud.

Tomorrow is Gameday!!!! #henlivesdon'tmatter

(09-30-2016 11:59 AM)BSKB 24 Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-30-2016 10:27 AM)Potomac Wrote: [ -> ]The closest election margin within the last century was 1960 when Kennedy beat Nixon by a margin of 112,827 popular votes. Even if all 20 votes were cast for a single candidate, it would've made no difference in the election. That's small potatoes.
As the fairfax democrat pointed out, they wouldn't have been able to fraudulently vote that many times if they tried. The conspiracy theory that there's some large scale voter fraud and that's why we need voter ID laws has no basis in fact.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-...ter-fraud/

What is factual is that Voter ID laws DO discriminate against traditionally democratic voters and I promise you that more than 20 people in Virginia alone would be negatively impacted by such laws and unable to vote. The homeless, racial minorities who are traditionally in a lower socioeconomic class and can't take off from work or can't afford to, or can't afford the fees associated with getting an ID. College students are transient in their physical addresses and less likely to update their IDs. I'm not in favor of putting up hurdles in front of any types of voter demographics when the negative impact outweighs the fairly small scale issue of voter fraud cases.

I do hope the person(s) involved in this particular case receive proper justice if they are found to have committed voter fraud and credit to the registration office employee for catching it on the forms. I'm glad to see they're doing their due diligence.

What a crock. Everybody is a victim. You make it out that it only affects Democrats. There are so many ways to vote nowadays that anyone who wants to vote can. You have to have an I.D. to do anything. If the privilege of voting isn't important enough for you to get an id, then don't vote.

I was embarrassed this morning when on National news JMU was mentioned as being involved with voter registration fraud.

This....FULL STOP!

You need an ID to do virtually anything else in this country. You need a valid ID to buy beer, buy tobacco, enter a bar, drive, etc....it is not an undue burden to require an ID to authenticate someone's identity for voting. I don't care about political affiliation but this is to help preserve the integrity of an election of our leaders.

(09-30-2016 12:11 PM)ShadyP Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-30-2016 11:59 AM)BSKB 24 Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-30-2016 10:27 AM)Potomac Wrote: [ -> ]The closest election margin within the last century was 1960 when Kennedy beat Nixon by a margin of 112,827 popular votes. Even if all 20 votes were cast for a single candidate, it would've made no difference in the election. That's small potatoes.
As the fairfax democrat pointed out, they wouldn't have been able to fraudulently vote that many times if they tried. The conspiracy theory that there's some large scale voter fraud and that's why we need voter ID laws has no basis in fact.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-...ter-fraud/

What is factual is that Voter ID laws DO discriminate against traditionally democratic voters and I promise you that more than 20 people in Virginia alone would be negatively impacted by such laws and unable to vote. The homeless, racial minorities who are traditionally in a lower socioeconomic class and can't take off from work or can't afford to, or can't afford the fees associated with getting an ID. College students are transient in their physical addresses and less likely to update their IDs. I'm not in favor of putting up hurdles in front of any types of voter demographics when the negative impact outweighs the fairly small scale issue of voter fraud cases.

I do hope the person(s) involved in this particular case receive proper justice if they are found to have committed voter fraud and credit to the registration office employee for catching it on the forms. I'm glad to see they're doing their due diligence.

What a crock. Everybody is a victim. You make it out that it only affects Democrats. There are so many ways to vote nowadays that anyone who wants to vote can. You have to have an I.D. to do anything. If the privilege of voting isn't important enough for you to get an id, then don't vote.

I was embarrassed this morning when on National news JMU was mentioned as being involved with voter registration fraud.

This....FULL STOP!

You need an ID to do virtually anything else in this country. You need a valid ID to buy beer, buy tobacco, enter a bar, drive, etc....it is not an undue burden to require an ID to authenticate someone's identity for voting. I don't care about political affiliation but this is to help preserve the integrity of an election of our leaders.

+1

(09-30-2016 10:03 AM)91Alum Wrote: [ -> ]We really are turning into a banana republic.

Remember - requiring people to show an ID when they vote is racist.

Agree. Very disturbing to see the direction we are heading. Political corruption is out of control.

(09-30-2016 12:11 PM)ShadyP Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-30-2016 11:59 AM)BSKB 24 Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-30-2016 10:27 AM)Potomac Wrote: [ -> ]The closest election margin within the last century was 1960 when Kennedy beat Nixon by a margin of 112,827 popular votes. Even if all 20 votes were cast for a single candidate, it would've made no difference in the election. That's small potatoes.
As the fairfax democrat pointed out, they wouldn't have been able to fraudulently vote that many times if they tried. The conspiracy theory that there's some large scale voter fraud and that's why we need voter ID laws has no basis in fact.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-...ter-fraud/

What is factual is that Voter ID laws DO discriminate against traditionally democratic voters and I promise you that more than 20 people in Virginia alone would be negatively impacted by such laws and unable to vote. The homeless, racial minorities who are traditionally in a lower socioeconomic class and can't take off from work or can't afford to, or can't afford the fees associated with getting an ID. College students are transient in their physical addresses and less likely to update their IDs. I'm not in favor of putting up hurdles in front of any types of voter demographics when the negative impact outweighs the fairly small scale issue of voter fraud cases.

I do hope the person(s) involved in this particular case receive proper justice if they are found to have committed voter fraud and credit to the registration office employee for catching it on the forms. I'm glad to see they're doing their due diligence.

What a crock. Everybody is a victim. You make it out that it only affects Democrats. There are so many ways to vote nowadays that anyone who wants to vote can. You have to have an I.D. to do anything. If the privilege of voting isn't important enough for you to get an id, then don't vote.

I was embarrassed this morning when on National news JMU was mentioned as being involved with voter registration fraud.

This....FULL STOP!

You need an ID to do virtually anything else in this country. You need a valid ID to buy beer, buy tobacco, enter a bar, drive, etc....it is not an undue burden to require an ID to authenticate someone's identity for voting. I don't care about political affiliation but this is to help preserve the integrity of an election of our leaders.

I agree how can it be that people need an ID for beer/social security/medical attention etc.. but can't seem to bother to get an ID to vote..

We are becoming a country of victims...

So since someone can't buy beer or drive, they can't vote? That's an asinine argument but a typical one attempting to down play the situation.

Requiring voters to obtain an ID in order to vote is tantamount to a poll tax. Although some states issue IDs for free, the birth certificates, passports, or other documents required to obtain a government-issued ID cost money, and many Americans simply cannot afford to pay for them.

It's a constitutional right. Drinking alcohol and driving a motor vehicle are not. The number of cases of in-person voter fraud are so insignificant they couldn't possibly have any effect on an election.

(09-30-2016 12:55 PM)Potomac Wrote: [ -> ]So since someone can't buy beer or drive, they can't vote? That's an asinine argument but a typical one attempting to down play the situation.

Requiring voters to obtain an ID in order to vote is tantamount to a poll tax. Although some states issue IDs for free, the birth certificates, passports, or other documents required to obtain a government-issued ID cost money, and many Americans simply cannot afford to pay for them.

It's a constitutional right. Drinking alcohol and driving a motor vehicle are not. The number of cases of in-person voter fraud are so insignificant they couldn't possibly have any effect on an election.

Seriously --- The line of thinking screams ---- I am a victim and willing to take ZERO responsibility for myself.

Just checked the DMV site. Getting an ID costs $10. I repeat $10. Forget about voting everyone should have some form of picture ID anyway. Seems like to me it would be pretty dang hard to function in our society without a picture ID.

You know what else is a constitutional right. The right to bear arms....but that does not mean you get one for free somewhere. You have the right the bear arms/own a gun but if you want one you will need to buy it. Which will cost far more than $10 for a picture ID.

(09-30-2016 10:27 AM)Potomac Wrote: [ -> ]The closest election margin within the last century was 1960 when Kennedy beat Nixon by a margin of 112,827 popular votes. Even if all 20 votes were cast for a single candidate, it would've made no difference in the election. That's small potatoes.
As the fairfax democrat pointed out, they wouldn't have been able to fraudulently vote that many times if they tried. The conspiracy theory that there's some large scale voter fraud and that's why we need voter ID laws has no basis in fact.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-...ter-fraud/

What is factual is that Voter ID laws DO discriminate against traditionally democratic voters and I promise you that more than 20 people in Virginia alone would be negatively impacted by such laws and unable to vote. The homeless, racial minorities who are traditionally in a lower socioeconomic class and can't take off from work or can't afford to, or can't afford the fees associated with getting an ID. College students are transient in their physical addresses and less likely to update their IDs. I'm not in favor of putting up hurdles in front of any types of voter demographics when the negative impact outweighs the fairly small scale issue of voter fraud cases.

I do hope the person(s) involved in this particular case receive proper justice if they are found to have committed voter fraud and credit to the registration office employee for catching it on the forms. I'm glad to see they're doing their due diligence.

So 20 fraudulent voter registrations were caught in Harrisonburg. Twenty might not be able to sway an election, but that's only 20 that were caught. Just like with any crime, only a small portion of the perpetrators are caught. And in a close presidential election you only have to tip 1 state. I hate to think that even 1 fraudulent vote could be cast.

The homeless and people in lower socioeconomic classes are most likely receiving government assistance for which they would have to have an ID. You mention people who can't get off work.... I don't know any employer who would hire someone without an ID. College students have IDs.... the address may be temporary but at least they can and should identify themselves when voting.

You can't function in society without and ID. Everyone has them or at the very least can obtain one.

(09-30-2016 01:03 PM)ShadyP Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-30-2016 12:55 PM)Potomac Wrote: [ -> ]So since someone can't buy beer or drive, they can't vote? That's an asinine argument but a typical one attempting to down play the situation.

Requiring voters to obtain an ID in order to vote is tantamount to a poll tax. Although some states issue IDs for free, the birth certificates, passports, or other documents required to obtain a government-issued ID cost money, and many Americans simply cannot afford to pay for them.

It's a constitutional right. Drinking alcohol and driving a motor vehicle are not. The number of cases of in-person voter fraud are so insignificant they couldn't possibly have any effect on an election.

Seriously --- The line of thinking screams ---- I am a victim and willing to take ZERO responsibility for myself.

Just checked the DMV site. Getting an ID costs $10. I repeat $10. Forget about voting everyone should have some form of picture ID anyway. Seems like to me it would be pretty dang hard to function in our society without a picture ID.

You know what else is a constitutional right. The right to bear arms....but that does not mean you get one for free somewhere. You have the right the bear arms/own a gun but if you want one you will need to buy it. Which will cost far more than $10 for a picture ID.

This line of thinking screams socioeconomic privilege. It's a whole lot more going on than just a $10 ID fee at the VA DMV. It disenfranchises the poor, young and elderly and there's ample proof of that.

Don't these people need an ID to cash government assistance checks, board an airplane, cruise ship, get a prescription filled, or purchase a firearm ....::?

Carry on ..:

(09-30-2016 01:03 PM)ShadyP Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-30-2016 12:55 PM)Potomac Wrote: [ -> ]So since someone can't buy beer or drive, they can't vote? That's an asinine argument but a typical one attempting to down play the situation.

Requiring voters to obtain an ID in order to vote is tantamount to a poll tax. Although some states issue IDs for free, the birth certificates, passports, or other documents required to obtain a government-issued ID cost money, and many Americans simply cannot afford to pay for them.

It's a constitutional right. Drinking alcohol and driving a motor vehicle are not. The number of cases of in-person voter fraud are so insignificant they couldn't possibly have any effect on an election.

Seriously --- The line of thinking screams ---- I am a victim and willing to take ZERO responsibility for myself.

Just checked the DMV site. Getting an ID costs $10. I repeat $10. Forget about voting everyone should have some form of picture ID anyway. Seems like to me it would be pretty dang hard to function in our society without a picture ID.

You know what else is a constitutional right. The right to bear arms....but that does not mean you get one for free somewhere. You have the right the bear arms/own a gun but if you want one you will need to buy it. Which will cost far more than $10 for a picture ID.

You didn't get the government coupon to get your free AR-15?

Nice rebuttal, but I'm sure you'll get the "Apples and Oranges" comment coming shortly.

So I'm confused at what the story is here other than a stupid college kid committing voter REGISTRATION fraud or, I guess, conspiracy to commit voter fraud. No voting happened. The kid would have then had to show up 20 times to vote at the correct polling places (and I'm assuming he was too dumb to vary the precincts), standing in line each time, and hoping that no one recognized him voting multiple times. There are dozens, that's right, dozens of cases over the past 4 major election cycles of actual voter fraud. Why are we even bothering to legislate against this? It's a total non-issue. However, poll taxes are an issue...mainly because they're unconstitutional, for the same reason we can't make people take a knowledge test before voting. Even if you think it's a great idea, it's not something that can happen.

If you want to actually fix problems like this (even though he was caught, so it's not an actual problem), it's a database issue, not a voter impersonator issue. Use an up-to-date database and idiots like this wouldn't even be able to attempt something this stupid. Requiring an ID to vote because someone registered dead people is like replacing the keyboard on your computer because someone stole your password. You need to change your password, not your authentication process. Just because you've seen memes pop up on Facebook about 150% of a precinct's registered voters voting doesn't mean it's true. Someone just made them up because they knew people would fall for them.

What really bugs me about this whole "voter fraud" issue is that it distracts people from something that ACTUALLY affects voting results...gerrymandering. It's incredibly rampant on both sides and needs to be fixed. But thanks to stupid crap like this everyone ignores it.