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Mosley out and Dan Dziersawski JUCO PG in
not a bad move... Stuckey cannot play D and is a spotty scorer. Hopefull DD is a better defender. Bottom-line both players have 2 years eligibility
(03-24-2016 11:11 AM)IamN2daRockets! Wrote: [ -> ]not a bad move... Stuckey cannot play D and is a spotty scorer. Hopefull DD is a better defender. Bottom-line both players have 2 years eligibility

DD is a true point guard, can only help our team, also averaged 15 points a game.
Thank you, Stuckey for your time in the Blue and Gold and good luck!
This makes more sense than Adaway being the odd man out. Mosley had some flaws in his game where I questioned if he was truly a D1 player. Hope he lands sonewhere, where he doesn't burn us down the road. Welcome to the new guys and let's bring home a mac tourney championship.
I liked Stuckey..I hope he leaves feeling OK about UT and the region
Still sorry to hear this. I was as tough on Mosley as anyone. Even so, there were moments where he did do things that helped the team win. True, he was headed to losing his starting spot at PG but I really thought that next season he would be a key contributor off the bench, particularly if he committed to playing better D with his length.

Didn't anticipate losing his 10 points and 5 rebounds a game. Hopefully Adway is a very pleasant surprise next season to help make some of those numbers up.
why is he out? Did he quit or was he told his scholarship wasn't being renewed?

We seem to do that a lot with players. Either we are not recruiting the right players or we don't know how to coach them up to improve. How many players have been in and out of the program since Kowalczk came on board? High turnover is never a good sign - and even though a number of people discredited a source I had with an inside insight, everything I keep seeing seems to support the criticism given and the reason for leaving the program.

Maybe I haven't accepted that this is the way MBB programs are run today. It certainly hasn't given me a reason to go to games either...
I don't agree with the level of criticism of Stuckey's game. I thought he did a pretty good job considering it was his first season with significant minutes. He averaged double figures in scoring, was the team's third-best rebounder after Garber and Boothe, led the team in assists, led the team in assists/turnover ratio (just short of 2 to 1 - very impressive), and led the team in steals.

I assume that he was not forced out since he was a significant contributor. Someone posted that he would have lost his starting job had he returned, but I'm not sure where that comes from. If Stuckey had stayed, would we still land the JC transfer? I doubt it. That kid probably came to UT because we had the opening at point guard. For the poster who said that we have traded up with the new commit, I would respond it's way too early to have an opinion about that. You're putting way too much emphasis on a highlight tape.
Hope Mosley chose to leave and is not being forced out----as quickly as his replacement was named, I do have to wonder.

Although a lot of star HS athletes never give a minute's thought of the possibility of not maintaining their level of stardom with college ball, not all do. Hopefully UT does not gets a reputation for asking (i.e. telling) players to leave because it might negatively impact future recruiting at least among some potential recruits.

There was a lot of this going on in TK's first couple of years here, but I looked the other way because I saw the player's commitment being to and from Cross not UT or TK, but now all of these are players that he recruited and their commitment was to him and from him---it is never a good practice to break and destroy mutual trust---so I hope that is not what is happening here.
He was a contributer, although his sophomore season seemed to reveal that would not become the PG that Juice was. I'm glad we're possibly getting a better PG, but I think it's too bad Mosely has left.
Hopefully Mosely was happy here and happy to go. Stuckey was a contribitor with time to develop further. It's long way from Florida, perhaps he just wanted to be closer to home? Hope he finds somewhere to stick and all is well personally.

I would love to see the University make a blanket policy that they are going to stick with a recruit sans academic or discipline issues whether that be a recruit of the present, the previous or the previous previous coaching staff. And that's being said without any implication that Stuckey was "non-renewed."


It is saddening that unless the student is leaving the University of their own choosing or need, these announcements are made mid-semester.

God speed. Best wishes.
Stuckey averaged 10 points, 5 boards, and 4 assists. He also led the team in steals, shot a respectable 36% from behind the arc and had an assist to turnover ration of almost 2. That's a pretty impressive season in most books.

Yes he may not be a true point guard, but that's not really his fault. I think the Rockets will miss his overall contributions next season.

Oh, and he tied Garber for 2nd on the team in rebounds per game. Some other folks are gonna need to step up quick in the rebounding department.
Between Mosley and Hall we got 3 years of playing time. Not too good for a 2 player recruiting class.

Look at two other Coach K recruits-Aubrey Wiliams and Aparicio. I doubt if we got more than a few minutes of quality playing time the years they were here.

Not every recruit becomes a big time player but there have been a whole lot of misses. A big part of being a top coach is evaluating talent. Coach K ran off a couple of guys when he came to Toledo who had solid collegiate careers. That also says something.
I'm not surprised. Stuckey is from a family of athletes that transfer around a lot. His brother and sister each played D1 ball at multiple schools. With this transfer he can rs a year at another D1 school and then play there 2 more years or if he wants and is productive in the classroom transfer again for his 5th/grad year (something former MAC FOY Austin Mcbroom did- played at CMU, transferred to St Louis where was a role players, then did his grad yr starring for Eastern Wash). It is normal for college basketball teams to have a player or two transfer each yr.

Personally, I would have liked to have him on a squad with other pg options so he could be used in a flexible way. He has good mid range skills, a nice j, and can handle the ball. He was limited as a driver and creator. Good rebounder, so-so defender. I doubt he was pushed out, but he may have been told he was going to have competition for the pg position and may see his role changed. Some guys aren't trying to adapt and face certain challenges (but that is speculation w regards to Stuckey). He may also have informed coach of his intention earlier and some of our recent pg recruiting may reflect that.

As a result we will have a team next yr with at least 2, if not 3, shorter quick pgs. Honestly, in the MAC having a big pg is a bit of a liability. Stuckey was often matched up in conf play against smaller quicker players who got the better of him a bit. He would have been a better fit for EMU's zone. then again, I'm still trying to figure out what coach K is trying to accomplish with our defense as each yr we seem to only have an identity on the offensive side of the court.

Seems like a decent kid, and he had some good moments. Take it easy Stuckey and work hard to become your best, there's ability and room to get better.
(03-24-2016 03:07 PM)MotoRocket Wrote: [ -> ]why is he out? Did he quit or was he told his scholarship wasn't being renewed?

We seem to do that a lot with players. Either we are not recruiting the right players or we don't know how to coach them up to improve. How many players have been in and out of the program since Kowalczk came on board? High turnover is never a good sign - and even though a number of people discredited a source I had with an inside insight, everything I keep seeing seems to support the criticism given and the reason for leaving the program.

Maybe I haven't accepted that this is the way MBB programs are run today. It certainly hasn't given me a reason to go to games either...

It is totally normal to have transfers.

From the NCAA, itself: "That said, about 40% of all MBB players who enter Division I directly out of high school depart their initial school by the end of their sophomore year."

From the New Orleans newspaper: "According to ESPN's Jeff Goodman, close to 500 Division I men's basketball players are pursuing transfers in 2015...According to Goodman, there were 687 who sought a change in programs in 2014, 507 in 2013 and 445 in 2012."

For anyone to try and use this as a reason to discredit TK is beyond ignorant. There are 351 D1 schools. If you take the average, each school averages 1.3-1.9 players transferring out per year.
(03-24-2016 05:28 PM)Rocket75 Wrote: [ -> ]Between Mosley and Hall we got 3 years of playing time. Not too good for a 2 player recruiting class.

Look at two other Coach K recruits-Aubrey Wiliams and Aparicio. I doubt if we got more than a few minutes of quality playing time the years they were here.

Not every recruit becomes a big time player but there have been a whole lot of misses. A big part of being a top coach is evaluating talent. Coach K ran off a couple of guys when he came to Toledo who had solid collegiate careers. That also says something.

You know what also says something? Turning around a team that won 4 games into a 27 game winner just a couple years later.

You know what else says something? Turning around a program that was sanctioned by the NCAA because of poor grades (poor grades earned by those guys TK "ran off") into a program that had a 3.0+ GPA last semester.
(03-24-2016 05:54 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-24-2016 05:28 PM)Rocket75 Wrote: [ -> ]Between Mosley and Hall we got 3 years of playing time. Not too good for a 2 player recruiting class.

Look at two other Coach K recruits-Aubrey Wiliams and Aparicio. I doubt if we got more than a few minutes of quality playing time the years they were here.

Not every recruit becomes a big time player but there have been a whole lot of misses. A big part of being a top coach is evaluating talent. Coach K ran off a couple of guys when he came to Toledo who had solid collegiate careers. That also says something.

You know what also says something? Turning around a team that won 4 games into a 27 game winner just a couple years later.

You know what else says something? Turning around a program that was sanctioned by the NCAA because of poor grades (poor grades earned by those guys TK "ran off") into a program that had a 3.0+ GPA last semester.

Coach K said on CH 13 today that he tried to talk Stuckey out of leaving, but he wanted to be closer to family.
(03-24-2016 05:54 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-24-2016 05:28 PM)Rocket75 Wrote: [ -> ]Between Mosley and Hall we got 3 years of playing time. Not too good for a 2 player recruiting class.

Look at two other Coach K recruits-Aubrey Wiliams and Aparicio. I doubt if we got more than a few minutes of quality playing time the years they were here.

Not every recruit becomes a big time player but there have been a whole lot of misses. A big part of being a top coach is evaluating talent. Coach K ran off a couple of guys when he came to Toledo who had solid collegiate careers. That also says something.

You know what also says something? Turning around a team that won 4 games into a 27 game winner just a couple years later.

You know what else says something? Turning around a program that was sanctioned by the NCAA because of poor grades (poor grades earned by those guys TK "ran off") into a program that had a 3.0+ GPA last semester.

No grade issues with Salter who wanted to stay, none with the guy who went to Illinois-Chicago whose name eludes me. Walter is playing pro in England and the other guy had a solid career in Chicago. Both were good students as was Delino Deer, IIRC.
(03-24-2016 06:03 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-24-2016 05:54 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-24-2016 05:28 PM)Rocket75 Wrote: [ -> ]Between Mosley and Hall we got 3 years of playing time. Not too good for a 2 player recruiting class.

Look at two other Coach K recruits-Aubrey Wiliams and Aparicio. I doubt if we got more than a few minutes of quality playing time the years they were here.

Not every recruit becomes a big time player but there have been a whole lot of misses. A big part of being a top coach is evaluating talent. Coach K ran off a couple of guys when he came to Toledo who had solid collegiate careers. That also says something.

You know what also says something? Turning around a team that won 4 games into a 27 game winner just a couple years later.

You know what else says something? Turning around a program that was sanctioned by the NCAA because of poor grades (poor grades earned by those guys TK "ran off") into a program that had a 3.0+ GPA last semester.

No grade issues with Salter who wanted to stay, none with the guy who went to Illinois-Chicago whose name eludes me. Walter is playing pro in England and the other guy had a solid career in Chicago. Both were good students as was Delino Deer, IIRC.

Ian Salter - transferred to a D2 school. Played 2 seasons. Averaged 10 mins/gm. 3.35 pts/gm. Yep, UT really missed him.

Who's Walter?
And no idea who "the other guy [who] had a solid career in Chicago" is.

Delino - please, majority of people on here were calling for him to leave.

Illinois-Chicago - Hayden Humes. Yes, that was unfortunate. He coulda been a solid player for UT, but TK didn't have room for him.

Josh Freelove - he was one that TK "ran off". Guess what - he played for 4 different schools in 5 years. Yes, he was good, but he's a guy who can't stay in 1 place (like Curtis Dennis, who went to like 3-4 different high schools, and 3 different colleges).

Jordan Dressler - transferred to an NAIA school.
Malcolm Griffin - transferred to D2
Jake Barnett - transferred to St. Louis. He scored more points in 1 season at UT than he did in 3 seasons at St. Louis (avg 16 mins/gm, 3 pts/gm at St. Louis)
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