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(12-22-2015 02:55 PM)nole Wrote: [ -> ]Clemson is a great program, great fan base, great tradition, with lots to be proud of........except you.


Nobody is pitting FSU against Clemson but you.


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(12-22-2015 02:46 PM)ClemVegas Wrote: [ -> ]You can talk trash about Clemson all day and suck up to FSU and talk about their 15 titles mostly in 90s and early 00s. So what? It doesn't mean FSU is a powerhouse today. They'll have some good seasons but they claim the ACC sucks yet only won 3 ACC titles in 10 years. I'm not saying the ACC sucks.

Clemson was a top 10 program in the 80s and FSU never had to play those teams. And winning the ACC back in the day wasn't that impressive with a down Clemson program and none of the new programs. It is much more difficult to be the best out of 14 schools than best out of 8 or whatever it was before.

you suck up to that FSU now. bend the knee, ken. What is your school by the way?

Seems like you're the only one talking trash around here, Clem. And none of it makes any sense. Everything you say undermines your own arguments.

It's more difficult to win the ACC today? So I suppose that means that those six titles Clemson won just before FSU joined the ACC weren't such a great achievement. Those were the titles that pulled the Tigers ahead of Maryland and Duke for most crowns won.

You say Clemson was a Top 10 team in the 80's (four times, IIRC) and FSU didn't have to play them. Did you ever think that maybe Clemson was a Top 10 team then because FSU didn't play them?

Clemson can be proud of its record in football. So can FSU. But nobody is going to claim that the Tigers' record outshines the Noles'. So why not drop the clown act, and just be part of the conversation here?
All you and several do on here is insult me. Feel free to disagree with me but I'm not your clown.

YOu can't take credit away from Clemson simply b/c FSU was not in the conference in the 80s. Was FSU any good in the 80s? I don't think they did much until last couple years of the 80s. I believe they only have 3 titles witht he first being in 1993.

You don't want to have a conversation. You want to control the conversation. FSU has a losing record to Clemson in the past 13 years. You can't change that no matter how much you tout FSU. They also have the same number of ACC titles. You can get mad about if you want. Still going to be a fact. They have only won 3 of the last 10 ACC titles and only 1 national title since 1999. That's good stuff but the hype for FSU on here is unreal. They are a juggernaut? They own the ACC?

If UVA, Syracuse, BC, etc can't have as many good seasons as FSU, does that mean those programs 'didn't do their part'? FSU people say that.

I started on this topic in response to FSU fans who are always dumping on the conference yet simulteously brag about their record in the conference since they joined. they want to have it both ways and I find that funny. Does anybody really believe FSU fans want the ACC to get better? They are phony.
(12-22-2015 06:16 PM)ClemVegas Wrote: [ -> ]All you and several do on here is insult me. Feel free to disagree with me but I'm not your clown.

YOu can't take credit away from Clemson simply b/c FSU was not in the conference in the 80s. Was FSU any good in the 80s? I don't think they did much until last couple years of the 80s. I believe they only have 3 titles witht he first being in 1993.

You don't want to have a conversation. You want to control the conversation. FSU has a losing record to Clemson in the past 13 years. You can't change that no matter how much you tout FSU. They also have the same number of ACC titles. You can get mad about if you want. Still going to be a fact. They have only won 3 of the last 10 ACC titles and only 1 national title since 1999. That's good stuff but the hype for FSU on here is unreal. They are a juggernaut? They own the ACC?

If UVA, Syracuse, BC, etc can't have as many good seasons as FSU, does that mean those programs 'didn't do their part'? FSU people say that.

I started on this topic in response to FSU fans who are always dumping on the conference yet simulteously brag about their record in the conference since they joined. they want to have it both ways and I find that funny. Does anybody really believe FSU fans want the ACC to get better? They are phony.

So "brownnosers" and "bend the knee, ken" aren't meant to be insulting I take it. They are an example of how you react to people disagreeing with you. I didn't say you were a clown. I said you were acting like one, because that was the most generous way I could think of to describe how you have been behaving.

I'm not "getting mad". If your skin is that thin, you might want to try toning down the rhetoric and making over the top claims.
(12-22-2015 02:55 PM)nole Wrote: [ -> ]Clemson is a great program, great fan base, great tradition, with lots to be proud of........except you.


Nobody is pitting FSU against Clemson but you.

Amen
I believe that ClemVegas was willing to drop this discussion until you guys started in again. You are all welcomed to continue over here.
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