Dear Mike,
Please, not under any circumstances, allow any former Toledo coaches to participate in our upcoming Bowl game. We don't need them. I don't care if we lose 60-0. Mr. Campbell has wasted no time poaching Toledo recruits after a disgraceful loss to WMU. Clearly his focus was not on the task at hand. If you have to, bring in former alumni or other suitable volunteers to help Coach Heacock finish this season, something Mr. Campbell wasn't interested in doing. If current Iowa State coaches are at our Bowl game in any coaching capacity I will never contribute another cent to the University of Toledo athletic program while you are the AD. I am sorry, however I feel very strongly that Mr. Campbell did not leave University of Toledo employment under honorable circumstances.
Sincerely,
Pat Ryan
(12-01-2015 08:01 PM)RangerRocket Wrote: [ -> ]Dear Mike,
Please, not under any circumstances, allow any former Toledo coaches to participate in our upcoming Bowl game. We don't need them. I don't care if we lose 60-0. Mr. Campbell has wasted no time poaching Toledo recruits after a disgraceful loss to WMU. Clearly his focus was not on the task at hand. If you have to, bring in former alumni or other suitable volunteers to help Coach Heacock finish this season, something Mr. Campbell wasn't interested in doing. If current Iowa State coaches are at our Bowl game in any coaching capacity I will never contribute another cent to the University of Toledo athletic program while you are the AD. I am sorry, however I feel very strongly that Mr. Campbell did not leave University of Toledo employment under honorable circumstances.
Sincerely,
Pat Ryan
Agree!!!
Signed,
MiamiRocket
I remember a time when there was another coaching change and an AD famously said, "A Michigan man will coach Michigan!". Now it may have been basketball and the next game to be coached was I believe the NCAA tournament, but the principle remains.
If they are already spending time in Ames how can they properly prepare this team for their bowl game? Nice send off for their senior class. It would be great if some former Rocket greats could step in this temporary void. Could really put a positive twist to this story and bring nice national media coverage for Rocket Nation!
Only thing I don't like about this whole thing is Campbell taking our recruits . Him leaving is a fact of college football. But the NCAA should figure a way to protect schools in this predicament. But if you look around, you will see the same thing happening at every University that is losing its head coach to another school. So we aren't the only ones around having fits.
So I assume Heacock is not being offered by Campbell. Not young enough?
(12-01-2015 08:01 PM)RangerRocket Wrote: [ -> ]Dear Mike,
Please, not under any circumstances, allow any former Toledo coaches to participate in our upcoming Bowl game. We don't need them. I don't care if we lose 60-0. Mr. Campbell has wasted no time poaching Toledo recruits after a disgraceful loss to WMU. Clearly his focus was not on the task at hand. If you have to, bring in former alumni or other suitable volunteers to help Coach Heacock finish this season, something Mr. Campbell wasn't interested in doing. If current Iowa State coaches are at our Bowl game in any coaching capacity I will never contribute another cent to the University of Toledo athletic program while you are the AD. I am sorry, however I feel very strongly that Mr. Campbell did not leave University of Toledo employment under honorable circumstances.
Sincerely,
Pat Ryan
Ranger this sums up my thoughts precisely. Continue to lead Pat! My email to MOB is sent. My small donations may not matter, but maybe an army of small donations may.
(12-01-2015 08:01 PM)RangerRocket Wrote: [ -> ]Dear Mike,
Please, not under any circumstances, allow any former Toledo coaches to participate in our upcoming Bowl game. We don't need them. I don't care if we lose 60-0. Mr. Campbell has wasted no time poaching Toledo recruits after a disgraceful loss to WMU. Clearly his focus was not on the task at hand. If you have to, bring in former alumni or other suitable volunteers to help Coach Heacock finish this season, something Mr. Campbell wasn't interested in doing. If current Iowa State coaches are at our Bowl game in any coaching capacity I will never contribute another cent to the University of Toledo athletic program while you are the AD. I am sorry, however I feel very strongly that Mr. Campbell did not leave University of Toledo employment under honorable circumstances.
Sincerely,
Pat Ryan
Agree 100%. You should make this a petition. Coaches should NOT be allowed to return to a program they've abandoned and are actively looting.
(12-01-2015 08:01 PM)RangerRocket Wrote: [ -> ]Dear Mike,
Please, not under any circumstances, allow any former Toledo coaches to participate in our upcoming Bowl game. We don't need them. I don't care if we lose 60-0. Mr. Campbell has wasted no time poaching Toledo recruits after a disgraceful loss to WMU. Clearly his focus was not on the task at hand. If you have to, bring in former alumni or other suitable volunteers to help Coach Heacock finish this season, something Mr. Campbell wasn't interested in doing. If current Iowa State coaches are at our Bowl game in any coaching capacity I will never contribute another cent to the University of Toledo athletic program while you are the AD. I am sorry, however I feel very strongly that Mr. Campbell did not leave University of Toledo employment under honorable circumstances.
Sincerely,
Pat Ryan
Did you email this?
(12-01-2015 08:29 PM)Babes boy Wrote: [ -> ]Only thing I don't like about this whole thing is Campbell taking our recruits . Him leaving is a fact of college football. But the NCAA should figure a way to protect schools in this predicament. But if you look around, you will see the same thing happening at every University that is losing its head coach to another school. So we aren't the only ones around having fits.
The NCAA serves at the pleasure of the P5 not the G5 schools that have no leverage over NCAA as do the P5 schools (namely, the threat of taking their TV $$$ and creating another sanctioning body if they as a group don't get their way with the NCAA). At the same time, most schools in our predicament are G5 schools put that position by P5 schools. Think about that a bit and I believe that you will understand why this practice is not a problem for the P5 schools and therefore not a problem for the NCAA. Thus it is allowed to continue this way year after year-----this system it totally about those big P5 TV and marketing $$$$$$----fairness is not a factor in their considerations.
The only thing that could perhaps put a stop to it is if the demand for fresh hot G5 coaches by the P5 becomes so large that the supply of hot young G5 coach not sufficient to fill their needs the because of "over fishing" the G5 pool by the P5 crowd. A P5 raid on a G5 school make take years to recover from the loss of a coach particularly if the G5 school does not bat a 1000 is selecting coach after coach with the potential to become "a hot young coach". Then and only then might you see some action to help protect the size of the G5 pool. If the P5 schools become alarmed enough at the lack of hot G5 coaches they might demand that the NCAA fix the problem.
(12-01-2015 08:48 PM)falconplucker Wrote: [ -> ] (12-01-2015 08:01 PM)RangerRocket Wrote: [ -> ]Dear Mike,
Please, not under any circumstances, allow any former Toledo coaches to participate in our upcoming Bowl game. We don't need them. I don't care if we lose 60-0. Mr. Campbell has wasted no time poaching Toledo recruits after a disgraceful loss to WMU. Clearly his focus was not on the task at hand. If you have to, bring in former alumni or other suitable volunteers to help Coach Heacock finish this season, something Mr. Campbell wasn't interested in doing. If current Iowa State coaches are at our Bowl game in any coaching capacity I will never contribute another cent to the University of Toledo athletic program while you are the AD. I am sorry, however I feel very strongly that Mr. Campbell did not leave University of Toledo employment under honorable circumstances.
Sincerely,
Pat Ryan
Agree 100%. You should make this a petition. Coaches should be allowed to return to a program they've abandoned and are actively looting.
That's what this is. I'm sure someone at the athletic department monitors the board. We know Hack and others at the Blade do. Time to make a stand. Having any former coaches who have moved on with Mr. Campbell participate in any official capacity at our Bowl game is another slap in the face.
(12-01-2015 08:53 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote: [ -> ] (12-01-2015 08:01 PM)RangerRocket Wrote: [ -> ]Dear Mike,
Please, not under any circumstances, allow any former Toledo coaches to participate in our upcoming Bowl game. We don't need them. I don't care if we lose 60-0. Mr. Campbell has wasted no time poaching Toledo recruits after a disgraceful loss to WMU. Clearly his focus was not on the task at hand. If you have to, bring in former alumni or other suitable volunteers to help Coach Heacock finish this season, something Mr. Campbell wasn't interested in doing. If current Iowa State coaches are at our Bowl game in any coaching capacity I will never contribute another cent to the University of Toledo athletic program while you are the AD. I am sorry, however I feel very strongly that Mr. Campbell did not leave University of Toledo employment under honorable circumstances.
Sincerely,
Pat Ryan
Did you email this?
Not yet, but I will tomorrow. Maybe copy Dr. Gaber as well. I suspect Mike doesn't understand the amount of frustration and anger this whole mess has generated with a large amount of the Rockets fan base: Hopefully he will soon. I'm tired of Matt Campbell being treated with kid gloves. At a time when the University is seeking a larger pool of donors someone needs to wake up over in Savage Arena.
(12-01-2015 08:54 PM)RangerRocket Wrote: [ -> ] (12-01-2015 08:48 PM)falconplucker Wrote: [ -> ] (12-01-2015 08:01 PM)RangerRocket Wrote: [ -> ]Dear Mike,
Please, not under any circumstances, allow any former Toledo coaches to participate in our upcoming Bowl game. We don't need them. I don't care if we lose 60-0. Mr. Campbell has wasted no time poaching Toledo recruits after a disgraceful loss to WMU. Clearly his focus was not on the task at hand. If you have to, bring in former alumni or other suitable volunteers to help Coach Heacock finish this season, something Mr. Campbell wasn't interested in doing. If current Iowa State coaches are at our Bowl game in any coaching capacity I will never contribute another cent to the University of Toledo athletic program while you are the AD. I am sorry, however I feel very strongly that Mr. Campbell did not leave University of Toledo employment under honorable circumstances.
Sincerely,
Pat Ryan
Agree 100%. You should make this a petition. Coaches should be allowed to return to a program they've abandoned and are actively looting.
That's what this is. I'm sure someone at the athletic department monitors the board. We know Hack and others at the Blade do. Time to make a stand. Having any former coaches who have moved on with Mr. Campbell participate in any official capacity at our Bowl game is another slap in the face.
Agree ---I am not sure that the team got the coaches full time attention prior to the WMU game when they were still UT employees so I am fairly certain that they will not get very much attention now that these coaches are ISU employees. I sense this offer is for PR purposes more than to help out the team anyway.
There's an issue of safety I would suppose and also of rushing to get a new coach just to have one for a bowl game. I wouldn't want the players, particularly the Seniors to miss out and selfishly, more then ever the team could use the extra practice but I keep mentally coming back to safety.
Are these people really thinking about the important stuff or the selfish stuff? Maybe this is the process and they are forced to leave in this way but maybe someone needs to take a mental check of themselves too. You can't just abandon responsibilities because you found a new lover.
This mess is really and also on NCAA and the school receiving the new staff for even allowing coaches to vacate if the departed school accepts a bowl, which they are extorted to do anyhow. ISU isn't going anywhere. They're really not in desperate need of staff at the moment and our former coaches should realize they are not taking the high road by acting desperately. There's no "time's a wasting" going on in Ames at the moment. The head coach I get but there's absolutely no reason the rest of the staff needed to be in Ames. They should be here getting THEIR players safely prepared.
Basically, if they don't want to be Rockets we don't want them.
(12-01-2015 09:25 PM)eastisbest Wrote: [ -> ]There's an issue of safety I would suppose and also of rushing to get a new coach just to have one for a bowl game. I wouldn't want the players, particularly the Seniors to miss out and selfishly, more then ever the team could use the extra practice but I keep mentally coming back to safety.
Are these people really thinking about the important stuff or the selfish stuff? Maybe this is the process and they are forced to leave in this way but maybe someone needs to take a mental check of themselves too. You can't just abandon responsibilities because you found a new lover.
This mess is really and also on NCAA and the school receiving the new staff for even allowing coaches to vacate if the departed school accepts a bowl, which they are extorted to do anyhow. ISU isn't going anywhere. They're really not in desperate need of staff at the moment and our former coaches should realize they are not taking the high road by acting desperately. There's no "time's a wasting" going on in Ames at the moment. The head coach I get but there's absolutely no reason the rest of the staff needed to be in Ames. They should be here getting THEIR players safely prepared.
This is a BIG $$$$ highly competitive, dare I say ruthless, profession----winning is the prize and losing can cost you your job----that's harsh because each and every game produces one winner and one loser so not everybody (or even most) can be a winner----it is a tough profession and to be successful you work long and hard and take advantage of every opportunity and every break that comes your way. You worry about how to do your best in your current job so there will be a next job. You take what you have learned from your past jobs and then put them out of mind -----there is probably not much time to reminisce much about them before retirement.
I am sure that Toledo has now faded from their sight in the rear view mirror and their total focus is 100% on moving ISU forward as quickly as possible and the very first and most important step at the moment in turning that dismal program around is putting together the very best recruiting class possible in a very short 8 weeks. I am sure that is their total focus at the moment and I just wish we had somebody looking after our interests in a similar fashion. If a HC is not found by Jan 1, I don't care how lipstick they put on that pig this will not be much of a recruiting class even with a bunch of the inevitable JC recruits and its effects will be felt for several years. WBB is still paying a price for losing the entire 2012 recruiting class.
(12-01-2015 09:47 PM)T-Town Wrote: [ -> ] (12-01-2015 09:25 PM)eastisbest Wrote: [ -> ]There's an issue of safety I would suppose and also of rushing to get a new coach just to have one for a bowl game. I wouldn't want the players, particularly the Seniors to miss out and selfishly, more then ever the team could use the extra practice but I keep mentally coming back to safety.
Are these people really thinking about the important stuff or the selfish stuff? Maybe this is the process and they are forced to leave in this way but maybe someone needs to take a mental check of themselves too. You can't just abandon responsibilities because you found a new lover.
This mess is really and also on NCAA and the school receiving the new staff for even allowing coaches to vacate if the departed school accepts a bowl, which they are extorted to do anyhow. ISU isn't going anywhere. They're really not in desperate need of staff at the moment and our former coaches should realize they are not taking the high road by acting desperately. There's no "time's a wasting" going on in Ames at the moment. The head coach I get but there's absolutely no reason the rest of the staff needed to be in Ames. They should be here getting THEIR players safely prepared.
This is a BIG $$$$ highly competitive, dare I say ruthless, profession----winning is the prize and losing can cost you your job----that's harsh because each and every game produces one winner and one loser so not everybody (or even most) can be a winner----it is a tough profession and to be successful you work long and hard and take advantage of every opportunity and every break that comes your way. You worry about how to do your best in your current job so there will be a next job. You take what you have learned from your past jobs and then put them out of mind -----there is probably not much time to reminisce much about them before retirement.
I am sure that Toledo has now faded from their sight in the rear view mirror and their total focus is 100% on moving ISU forward as quickly as possible and the very first and most important step at the moment in turning that dismal program around is putting together the very best recruiting class possible in a very short 8 weeks. I am sure that is their total focus at the moment and I just wish we had somebody looking after our interests in a similar fashion. If a HC is not found by Jan 1, I don't care how lipstick they put on that pig this will not be much of a recruiting class even with a bunch of the inevitable JC recruits and its effects will be felt for several years. WBB is still paying a price for losing the entire 2012 recruiting class.
First of all I don't think we need to hold our university hostage on donations to get our point across. Certainly tell him how you feel but I don't think we need to make threats about donations because that only hurts UT not Matt Campbell. Secondly I have a feeling that MOB understands what is going on more then any of us. Its a tough situation and I know he is working very hard to do what is best for everyone including the university, players, and the future. Its a lot to balance and he has a lot of work in front of him. I don't think we need to be sending him nasty emails and threatening him right now. Mike O'Brien is 100% behind UT, just look how long he has been with the University for goodness sakes. What is wrong with college athletics is the power five & money and UT is on the losing side because of it, but MOB is one of the good things that we have and I think we should all support him as best we can.
Right or wrong I will express my opinion as I see things. In my increasingly advanced old age just not going to sugar coat things anymore. This is how I feel. Tired of hearing the "Matt Campbell Story". Get him and his minions out of here before they do even more damage. They can pay their way into the Rockets bowl game as spectators just like we do if they want to watch the game.
(12-01-2015 08:30 PM)MotoRocket Wrote: [ -> ]So I assume Heacock is not being offered by Campbell. Not young enough?
Heacock really wants the HC job at Toledo.
Not having them coach is unrealistic no matter what we think. Shame on Campbell and all of these coaches for recruiting players that were going here. It is very disappointing but always done. I don't want Heacock to get the job but he can stay on as DC.
(12-01-2015 11:13 PM)BrianNowicki Wrote: [ -> ] (12-01-2015 08:30 PM)MotoRocket Wrote: [ -> ]So I assume Heacock is not being offered by Campbell. Not young enough?
Heacock really wants the HC job at Toledo.
I like what he's done with our D. It has gotten a lot better. But has he got the recruiting experience? We need to hit Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania and, Indiana hard.