Missed this study when it was new (May 2014). Basically, it says the higher the pay of a public university's president, the worse off are its students. The Top 25 in presidential compensation also lead the nation in student loan debt, employment of adjunct faculty and administrative bloat. As we know, Ray Watts sits firmly in the Top Ten for compensation, making him a true one-percenter.
http://www.ips-dc.org/one_percent_universities/
Ray must go. He must go now.
It was always one of the reasons why I couldn't stand him.
He's making bank and all we have to show for it is what? Some embarrassments, and some rubber stamping anyone with common sense could manage to do. I'm usually all about people getting paid for putting in work, but Dr. Watts hasn't advanced us in any noticeable way.
Honestly, has he accomplished anything of merit without having to be backed into it? I don't even understand what prompted him raking it in like that. Was he really that good as the dean?
He was nothing more than a hired gun to do one specific task that's why he was so highly paid. If they were hiring a president for long term to replace Garrison, they'd been much lower on the pay scale
Many years ago, I heard a story about a guy who propositioned a girl and asked "Would you have sex with me for $1 million?" She replied that she would so he asked if she would do it for $10. "What kind of girl do you think I am?" she asked. He replied that the kind of girl she is had been established and now they were only bargaining price.
Do you suppose that is why Dr Ray Watts makes over $800,000 ? Maybe he successfully bargained over price to do what the BOT wanted done.
Like I needed another reason to hate Ray Ray.
(06-28-2015 06:29 PM)Smaug Wrote: [ -> ] (06-28-2015 06:25 PM)Hopeful Wrote: [ -> ]Was he really that good as the dean?
No. No, he wasn't.
As Smaug said, no. He was I hired gun, nothing more. They were looking for someone that would take the job, follow instructions, and end their own career.
Asking one to end his career costs a lot of money.
What's worse...the high salary doesn't include the under the table cash
(06-28-2015 06:29 PM)Smaug Wrote: [ -> ] (06-28-2015 06:25 PM)Hopeful Wrote: [ -> ]Was he really that good as the dean?
No. No, he wasn't.
One of the ugly little twists in this is that Finis St. John used the SOM's decline to bash Garrison before she was fired (this is not why she was fired, which was a combination of resistance to her deadwood-clearing operations plus the stadium, but it's what was discussed in public). This was indeed true, and it happened under Dean Ray Watts. Who was then given garrison's job as a reward. And then the decline started to reverse somewhat under Selwyn Vickers, and credit was nabbed by Watts then.
Ray Watts was a terrible dean, something I did not know at the time. I only knew that the SOM folk I know seemed less thrilled with him than expected since they got to "finally replace the nurse with a
real doctor."
I actually applied for the president's job, since it amused me that I met the paper requirements but felt in no way qualified. Well hell, I would have done a damned better job than Ray.
Three monkeys slinging poo would have done a better job.
(06-29-2015 11:59 AM)58-56 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-28-2015 06:29 PM)Smaug Wrote: [ -> ] (06-28-2015 06:25 PM)Hopeful Wrote: [ -> ]Was he really that good as the dean?
No. No, he wasn't.
One of the ugly little twists in this is that Finis St. John used the SOM's decline to bash Garrison before she was fired (this is not why she was fired, which was a combination of resistance to her deadwood-clearing operations plus the stadium, but it's what was discussed in public). This was indeed true, and it happened under Dean Ray Watts. Who was then given garrison's job as a reward. And then the decline started to reverse somewhat under Selwyn Vickers, and credit was nabbed by Watts then.
Ray Watts was a terrible dean, something I did not know at the time. I only knew that the SOM folk I know seemed less thrilled with him than expected since they got to "finally replace the nurse with a real doctor."
I actually applied for the president's job, since it amused me that I met the paper requirements but felt in no way qualified. Well hell, I would have done a damned better job than Ray.
You mean her resistance to going along with thier wishes? I'm honestly askinf.
(06-28-2015 07:28 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote: [ -> ]Many years ago, I heard a story about a guy who propositioned a girl and asked "Would you have sex with me for $1 million?" She replied that she would so he asked if she would do it for $10. "What kind of girl do you think I am?" she asked. He replied that the kind of girl she is had been established and now they were only bargaining price.
Do you suppose that is why Dr Ray Watts makes over $800,000 ? Maybe he successfully bargained over price to do what the BOT wanted done.
On Page ONE of the Sunday NEWS is the President of UAH, Andrew Hugine Jr whose salary is listed at $230,000. OK, He's not an MD, but does that explain the $600,000 difference between him and Dr Watts?
NOTE: The article (on pg 11) also describes Robert Altenkirch as University president at UAH at $457,400.
Did the paper mislabel Hugine as UAH but perhaps is AL A&M?
(06-29-2015 03:11 PM)rook360 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-29-2015 11:59 AM)58-56 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-28-2015 06:29 PM)Smaug Wrote: [ -> ] (06-28-2015 06:25 PM)Hopeful Wrote: [ -> ]Was he really that good as the dean?
No. No, he wasn't.
One of the ugly little twists in this is that Finis St. John used the SOM's decline to bash Garrison before she was fired (this is not why she was fired, which was a combination of resistance to her deadwood-clearing operations plus the stadium, but it's what was discussed in public). This was indeed true, and it happened under Dean Ray Watts. Who was then given garrison's job as a reward. And then the decline started to reverse somewhat under Selwyn Vickers, and credit was nabbed by Watts then.
Ray Watts was a terrible dean, something I did not know at the time. I only knew that the SOM folk I know seemed less thrilled with him than expected since they got to "finally replace the nurse with a real doctor."
I actually applied for the president's job, since it amused me that I met the paper requirements but felt in no way qualified. Well hell, I would have done a damned better job than Ray.
You mean her resistance to going along with thier wishes? I'm honestly askinf.
While we have good faculty at UAB, we also have some who are cartoon caricatures of the Lazy Professor: sending grad assistants to show movies instead of showing up for classes, blowing off classes with a two-word Facebook posting, publishing the one required book for tenure and never another tiny stab at research, and so on.
I never liked Garrison as a person, but I outright hated colleagues like that (it's the biggest reason I left academia) and thought it was a
great thing when Garrison and Jean Linney targeted these worthless leeches. Tenure is not an absolute guarantee of a job for life (firing is harder, but not impossible). Garrison wanted these people working or gone, and if they couldn't be forced out, they'd be forced to actually work and could quit if they did not like it. Instead a number of them went whining to the Trustees and undermined her authority. At least one of them was rewarded with a department chair under the Watts/Palazzo regime.
Other than that last, though, I'm not sure that Ray Watts has an inkling what goes on west of 15th Street. To him it's sort of like one of those edge-of-the-earth paintings from the Middle Ages.
(06-29-2015 03:25 PM)58-56 Wrote: [ -> ]Other than that last, though, I'm not sure that Ray Watts has an inkling what goes on west of 15th Street. To him it's sort of like one of those edge-of-the-earth paintings from the Middle Ages.
Last time he was down that way in December, big black scary people yelled at him and then some other loud scary people wouldn't let him get in his car.
(06-29-2015 03:23 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote: [ -> ] (06-28-2015 07:28 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote: [ -> ]Many years ago, I heard a story about a guy who propositioned a girl and asked "Would you have sex with me for $1 million?" She replied that she would so he asked if she would do it for $10. "What kind of girl do you think I am?" she asked. He replied that the kind of girl she is had been established and now they were only bargaining price.
Do you suppose that is why Dr Ray Watts makes over $800,000 ? Maybe he successfully bargained over price to do what the BOT wanted done.
On Page ONE of the Sunday NEWS is the President of UAH, Andrew Hugine Jr whose salary is listed at $230,000. OK, He's not an MD, but does that explain the $600,000 difference between him and Dr Watts?
NOTE: The article (on pg 11) also describes Robert Altenkirch as University president at UAH at $457,400.
Did the paper mislabel Hugine as UAH but perhaps is AL A&M?
Yes it did. There is this thing called Google, if you type in a question or statement, it will provide results. Be careful with quotations though.
And the president of UAB job is more prestigious than those two. I'm assuming that has a lot to do with the difference in pay.