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UAB Lawsuit
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(07-02-2014 09:23 PM)Dracorex Wrote: [ -> ][Image: h0D786BF5]

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Not sure, but this dude might be an idiot.
As humorous as a gun in a dorm story can get.

So I am hanging out at two close friends apartment in what is now Camp hall. Our balcony is 2 stories above the large dumpster at the bottom of the trash chute. Roommate #1 has spotted a Rodent of Unusual Size.( R.O.U.S. ) on multiple occasions, but for the rest of us, the king rat was a ghost. Finally , roommate #2 sees the ROUS. He determines that the oversized rodent must leave this world. Roommate #2 retrieves a pellet pistol from his vehicle and takes up a stakeout position on the balcony. For 3 straight nights, we never take a shot. It was like king rat had ESP. Finally, we are out very late and the trash truck is coming. Roommate #2 senses an opportunity. He retrieves the pellet pistol and waits. Sure enough the big guy was sitting right under the dumpster. 2 shots were fired. The rat scurried away. We were pissed. Roommate #2 upped the firepower. He retrieved a pellet rifle from his parents place that Saturday. We bought beer and waited on the trashman. Meanwhile, several scholarship athletes were relaxing with an adult beverage or three in the next Apartment over that had the view of the dumpster from the opposite side. At 3 a.m. right on schedule the trashman arrives. The dumpster gets lifted. Roommate #2 takes the shot. King Rat spins around, looks straight at us and hisses. Loudly. Scholarship Athlete, watching the whole thing, is completely freaked out. The dumpster has been moved to the side uncovering the entry to his lair. Roommate #2 gets another shot off. The ROUS is unphased. Athlete can stand it no more. He pulls out 9mm pistol and dropped the king rat with 3 bullets. We had every UAB cop on our floor until 530 a.m. Good times.

I apologize if you have heard this story recently.
Took me a while to figure out what a ROUS was. Funny story.

When things go this bad over something this petty, it is usually because there are multiple idiots involved. Walking around with a plastic "toy" gun is a terrible idea in a dorm even if it is for "self defense practice" or whatever (I'm guilty of playing with my roommate's BB gun inside the dormroom, probably a dumb idea but we kept it in the room). If the kid has evidence he was not in the dorm when the accusation was made, then whoever in charge of this for UAB acted too hastily and has cost the university a lot of grief and money. This could have been fixed without a lawsuit by asking and assisting the kid in moving to another dorm, banning plastic gun look-alike toys, and requiring him not to contact the girls.
My read between the lines take is weird neighbor next door tried to impress two women telling them his fake gun was real. They freaked out on him, he tried to explain it was fake, but they had decided he was dangerous, real gun or not.
My take is that the guy isn't mature enough yet to live away from his parents and has most likely been a problem for the dorm for some time. However, the dorm made an over zealous attempt to get rid of him without getting their ducks in a row first.
remember you are hearing his lawyers version of events.
This is a no win situation.
& al.com is good at throwing up articles & presenting it in a way to get page hits & comments.
(07-03-2014 06:17 AM)Blazer on the southside Wrote: [ -> ]My take is that the guy isn't mature enough yet to live away from his parents and has most likely been a problem for the dorm for some time. However, the dorm mtoade an over zealous attempt to get rid of him without getting their ducks in a row first.

(07-03-2014 08:06 AM)bladhmadh Wrote: [ -> ]remember you are hearing his lawyers version of events.
I had the misfortune of having to hear the appeals of the student hearings. The kids version of events that makes it to the parents(must less lawyers) can be an amazing creation. This kid version does not even makes sense on its face. The lawyers are probably trying to get 2nd amendment concerns to embarrass UAB into a settlement
From my understanding UAB is a school and therefore a gum* free zone. It isn't a 2nd ammendment issue at all.

Possession of a gun inside UAB property is a felony like it would be in any high school.

This of course was a fake gun anyway so it's irrelevant

*Damn you AutoCorrect -
(07-03-2014 12:04 PM)Dracorex Wrote: [ -> ]From my understanding UAB is a school and therefore a gum free zone. It isn't a 2nd ammendment issue at all.

Possession of a gun inside UAB property is a felony like it would be in any high school.

This of course was a fake gun anyway so it's irrelevant
You are mostly right on guns part. The 2nd amendment concerns I discussed is that the NRA is now lobbying to allow you to carry guns in bars, airports, church, and schools. In the current wisdom of the Alabama legislature, colleges must post - no guns allowed on the door of each building. Antidotally the only reason college got this limited exemption was a threat to withhold football tickets from them

A crime is committed if you use a gun to threaten or assault or rob a person or even possession in certain circumstances without a permit.
The fact that the gun is unloaded or even fake is irrelevant
(07-03-2014 12:04 PM)Dracorex Wrote: [ -> ]From my understanding UAB is a school and therefore a gum free zone.

I did a lot of chewing in my time, and there was used gum all over the bottom side of older desks. I therefore conclude that your understanding incorrect.
(07-03-2014 12:04 PM)Dracorex Wrote: [ -> ]This of course was a fake gun anyway so it's irrelevant

Take a fake gun to elementary, middle, or high school and you'll land in alternative school.
(07-03-2014 02:13 PM)uabbean Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-03-2014 12:04 PM)Dracorex Wrote: [ -> ]From my understanding UAB is a school and therefore a gum free zone. It isn't a 2nd ammendment issue at all.

Possession of a gun inside UAB property is a felony like it would be in any high school.

This of course was a fake gun anyway so it's irrelevant
You are mostly right on guns part. The 2nd amendment concerns I discussed is that the NRA is now lobbying to allow you to carry guns in bars, airports, church, and schools. In the current wisdom of the Alabama legislature, colleges must post - no guns allowed on the door of each building. Antidotally the only reason college got this limited exemption was a threat to withhold football tickets from them

A crime is committed if you use a gun to threaten or assault or rob a person or even possession in certain circumstances without a permit.
The fact that the gun is unloaded or even fake is irrelevant

Actually, no. You do not have to post a sign anywhere on campus. It's in the student handbook that you cannot have a gun on campus.

State law changed last year and you can now have a gun in your car, but it must remain there. UAB's policy back in 2001 or so when I started school was that you could have a gun in your car, but obviously couldn't take it out. Sometime in the mid 2000s it changed so that you couldn't have a gun on campus at all, even in your car. Then the law last year changed to force colleges to allow guns in the car, but they can still ban them inside buildings. No sign required.
(07-03-2014 08:26 AM)uabblazer2012 Wrote: [ -> ]This is a no win situation.

Actually I have to commend UAB on this one. They are taking a stand, and not making public statements about it, even if it "looks bad" in the gun crazy south.

Colleges have been way, way too lax with dealing with sexual assaults and violence of any kind, and while this kid didn't actually physically do anything to those girls, I think you can read between the lines and figure out what was going on. It would've been easy to sweep it under the rug like so many she v. he situations go, but this guy is kind of crazy to be carrying a "training" gun around campus, as technically allowed as that might be, and trying to impress girls with it.

When it goes to court, the facts will be out there, which I guess is why UAB is letting this go to trial. Technically they have immunity from lawsuits as a state institution.
(07-03-2014 12:04 PM)Dracorex Wrote: [ -> ]From my understanding UAB is a school and therefore a gum free zone. It isn't a 2nd ammendment issue at all.

Possession of a gun inside UAB property is a felony like it would be in any high school.

This of course was a fake gun anyway so it's irrelevant

IANAL, but it appears that if you have a concealed carry permit, possession is not a felony anyway. Federal law makes an exception in that case. I'm pretty sure that the worst that a university could do to you is kick you off campus.

Waving around gun on campus (real or fake) is a different matter altogether, and it takes a special kind of idiot to do something like that.
(07-03-2014 03:25 PM)JeffUAB Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-03-2014 12:04 PM)Dracorex Wrote: [ -> ]From my understanding UAB is a school and therefore a gum free zone. It isn't a 2nd ammendment issue at all.

Possession of a gun inside UAB property is a felony like it would be in any high school.

This of course was a fake gun anyway so it's irrelevant

IANAL, but it appears that if you have a concealed carry permit, possession is not a felony anyway. Federal law makes an exception in that case. I'm pretty sure that the worst that a university could do to you is kick you off campus.

Waving around gun on campus (real or fake) is a different matter altogether, and it takes a special kind of idiot to do something like that.

I'm going to say the first half of what you said is wrong unless you can prove otherwise. You can't posses a firearm in a school, courthouse, etc. even with a permit.
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