(09-13-2016 09:07 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote: [ -> ] (09-13-2016 07:29 AM)AubTiger16 Wrote: [ -> ]I just can't do this conversation anymore lol.
ECU is not bigger than North Carolina, NC State or Duke. I'll give you Wake.
Duke has a large fanbase and it spans more than one little corner of their own state. Duke is a national brand.
Just because you win a couple of games in a row doesn't make you the better program. I posted your 10 and 15 year stats. You're arguing hopes and dreams while I present actual facts. Instead of discussing actual facts, you keep spitting out nothing but heavily biased statements.
Have you seen a Duke football game OR baseball game? Attendance is terrible. Basketball has good attendance and that is all.
They fill 77%-80% of their stadium. Their stadium is pretty small. Just upgraded to 40,000 capacity recently from what I read from 33,700ish.
Their fanbase is not defined fully by their football attendance either. They are a national program. They compete for championships in basketball. Their academics are great. Their football program is more competitive. Do you really want me to list ECUs football attendance when you guys are down? Why do you think your 15 year avg is is bad?
You are stuck in the "right now" mentality. Just because you have been a little more successful right now doesn't mean you are a can't miss addition and that's my whole point.
You specifically have stated that ECU will deliver the whole state and are making claims the ECU will be the University in North Carolina to go to.
As with any school there are good and bad things. The negatives for ECU out weigh the positives. Why hasn't any P5 conference added ECU. Why didn't the Big East? Why hasn't the ACC? Why didn't the SEC add ECU instead of Missouri and Texas A&M? Why did the Big 12 add West Virginia instead of ECU?
With all of your amazing success, why are you 2-6 in your last 8 bowl games? Why have you only gone to 8 in the last 15 years? Why aren't you dominating The American which is filled with equal caliber programs? Why didn't you dominate C-USA which was filled with equal caliber programs and a lot of programs many would consider below ECU?
Why does your school have a recruiting budget under 200k? Why are you 58th overall in the country in revenue with such amazing fan support?
Why has your basketball program been to the NCAA Tournament 2 total times?
You spend almost 50 million a year on athletics based on current numbers. That is a lot of money. Not SEC money, but that's top 5 in the American.
What does the media value you at? What ECU wants in a handout. You are worth about 2-4 million per season in media revenue but you want that 24-40 in return.
Personally, I wouldn't be against ECU in the SEC. If they announced it right now I'd say welcome and wouldn't think anything about it, it's just some of these crazy comments.
You will not deliver the entire state of North Carolina.
You're numbers will go up, but not because of ECU they will go up because of the SEC and SEC programs.
You're fan base will not grow because of ECU, it will grow because of the SEC.
Your attendance will not go up because of ECU, it will go up because of the SEC.
As pointed out. SEC programs do not even deliver their entire states. Just because ECU joins the SEC does not mean UNC, NC State, Duke, Charlotte, Wake Forest, UNC- Wilmington, UNC- Ashville and so on fans become ECU fans.
For a G5 you do well attendance wise. Overall athletic success is not good. Academics are not great and so on.
ECU needs to learn how to take a step forward outside of the P5. Like TCU, Louisville, Utah, Houston, UCF etc... have.
That's my biggest issue. Avg 50k fans for a 10 year period. Win 4-6 conference championships in a 10 year period. Compete for NY6 bowls, get your basketball team into the NCAA Tournament a few years, increase your TV ratings against your conference and non P5 programs. Have your fanbase/boosters/donors 100% behind you and upgrade your facilities to P5 standard.
It's more than just fielding a competitive G5 football program. Location, market, academics, overall support not just at football games.
You are exactly where you should be based on all of your accomplishments, fan support, academics, market, locations etc...
Nothing personal, but you have to be in the right situation, at the right time to advance during realignment.