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I just can't do this conversation anymore lol.

ECU is not bigger than North Carolina, NC State or Duke. I'll give you Wake.

Duke has a large fanbase and it spans more than one little corner of their own state. Duke is a national brand.

Just because you win a couple of games in a row doesn't make you the better program. I posted your 10 and 15 year stats. You're arguing hopes and dreams while I present actual facts. Instead of discussing actual facts, you keep spitting out nothing but heavily biased statements.
(09-13-2016 07:29 AM)AubTiger16 Wrote: [ -> ]I just can't do this conversation anymore lol.

ECU is not bigger than North Carolina, NC State or Duke. I'll give you Wake.

Duke has a large fanbase and it spans more than one little corner of their own state. Duke is a national brand.

Just because you win a couple of games in a row doesn't make you the better program. I posted your 10 and 15 year stats. You're arguing hopes and dreams while I present actual facts. Instead of discussing actual facts, you keep spitting out nothing but heavily biased statements.

Have you seen a Duke football game OR baseball game? Attendance is terrible. Basketball has good attendance and that is all.
From briefly being in a conference with them, I can say that ECU fans are spirited & have the fighting attitude & that does carry over to their teams. Those Pirates don't quit.
(09-13-2016 09:07 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-13-2016 07:29 AM)AubTiger16 Wrote: [ -> ]I just can't do this conversation anymore lol.

ECU is not bigger than North Carolina, NC State or Duke. I'll give you Wake.

Duke has a large fanbase and it spans more than one little corner of their own state. Duke is a national brand.

Just because you win a couple of games in a row doesn't make you the better program. I posted your 10 and 15 year stats. You're arguing hopes and dreams while I present actual facts. Instead of discussing actual facts, you keep spitting out nothing but heavily biased statements.

Have you seen a Duke football game OR baseball game? Attendance is terrible. Basketball has good attendance and that is all.

They fill 77%-80% of their stadium. Their stadium is pretty small. Just upgraded to 40,000 capacity recently from what I read from 33,700ish.

Their fanbase is not defined fully by their football attendance either. They are a national program. They compete for championships in basketball. Their academics are great. Their football program is more competitive. Do you really want me to list ECUs football attendance when you guys are down? Why do you think your 15 year avg is is bad?

You are stuck in the "right now" mentality. Just because you have been a little more successful right now doesn't mean you are a can't miss addition and that's my whole point.

You specifically have stated that ECU will deliver the whole state and are making claims the ECU will be the University in North Carolina to go to.

As with any school there are good and bad things. The negatives for ECU out weigh the positives. Why hasn't any P5 conference added ECU. Why didn't the Big East? Why hasn't the ACC? Why didn't the SEC add ECU instead of Missouri and Texas A&M? Why did the Big 12 add West Virginia instead of ECU?

With all of your amazing success, why are you 2-6 in your last 8 bowl games? Why have you only gone to 8 in the last 15 years? Why aren't you dominating The American which is filled with equal caliber programs? Why didn't you dominate C-USA which was filled with equal caliber programs and a lot of programs many would consider below ECU?

Why does your school have a recruiting budget under 200k? Why are you 58th overall in the country in revenue with such amazing fan support?

Why has your basketball program been to the NCAA Tournament 2 total times?

You spend almost 50 million a year on athletics based on current numbers. That is a lot of money. Not SEC money, but that's top 5 in the American.

What does the media value you at? What ECU wants in a handout. You are worth about 2-4 million per season in media revenue but you want that 24-40 in return.

Personally, I wouldn't be against ECU in the SEC. If they announced it right now I'd say welcome and wouldn't think anything about it, it's just some of these crazy comments.

You will not deliver the entire state of North Carolina.
You're numbers will go up, but not because of ECU they will go up because of the SEC and SEC programs.
You're fan base will not grow because of ECU, it will grow because of the SEC.
Your attendance will not go up because of ECU, it will go up because of the SEC.

As pointed out. SEC programs do not even deliver their entire states. Just because ECU joins the SEC does not mean UNC, NC State, Duke, Charlotte, Wake Forest, UNC- Wilmington, UNC- Ashville and so on fans become ECU fans.

For a G5 you do well attendance wise. Overall athletic success is not good. Academics are not great and so on.

ECU needs to learn how to take a step forward outside of the P5. Like TCU, Louisville, Utah, Houston, UCF etc... have.

That's my biggest issue. Avg 50k fans for a 10 year period. Win 4-6 conference championships in a 10 year period. Compete for NY6 bowls, get your basketball team into the NCAA Tournament a few years, increase your TV ratings against your conference and non P5 programs. Have your fanbase/boosters/donors 100% behind you and upgrade your facilities to P5 standard.

It's more than just fielding a competitive G5 football program. Location, market, academics, overall support not just at football games.

You are exactly where you should be based on all of your accomplishments, fan support, academics, market, locations etc...

Nothing personal, but you have to be in the right situation, at the right time to advance during realignment.
(09-13-2016 09:07 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-13-2016 07:29 AM)AubTiger16 Wrote: [ -> ]I just can't do this conversation anymore lol.

ECU is not bigger than North Carolina, NC State or Duke. I'll give you Wake.

Duke has a large fanbase and it spans more than one little corner of their own state. Duke is a national brand.

Just because you win a couple of games in a row doesn't make you the better program. I posted your 10 and 15 year stats. You're arguing hopes and dreams while I present actual facts. Instead of discussing actual facts, you keep spitting out nothing but heavily biased statements.

Have you seen a Duke football game OR baseball game? Attendance is terrible. Basketball has good attendance and that is all.

Understood, but that really isn't the point.

Duke has followers all over the country. Their basketball success has made them one of the blue bloods of college athletics. They probably don't have a huge alumni base in NC or anything so I can buy ECU having more local fans, but ECU's brand outside of NC is basically non-existant.

I don't think that necessarily disqualifies ECU from being in a Power 5 league, but a school's revenue makes a difference. Not just TV revenue, but merchandise sales, donations, and whatever fans are willing to pay for the revenue sports.
(09-13-2016 12:23 PM)AllTideUp Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-13-2016 09:07 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-13-2016 07:29 AM)AubTiger16 Wrote: [ -> ]I just can't do this conversation anymore lol.

ECU is not bigger than North Carolina, NC State or Duke. I'll give you Wake.

Duke has a large fanbase and it spans more than one little corner of their own state. Duke is a national brand.

Just because you win a couple of games in a row doesn't make you the better program. I posted your 10 and 15 year stats. You're arguing hopes and dreams while I present actual facts. Instead of discussing actual facts, you keep spitting out nothing but heavily biased statements.

Have you seen a Duke football game OR baseball game? Attendance is terrible. Basketball has good attendance and that is all.

Understood, but that really isn't the point.

Duke has followers all over the country. Their basketball success has made them one of the blue bloods of college athletics. They probably don't have a huge alumni base in NC or anything so I can buy ECU having more local fans, but ECU's brand outside of NC is basically non-existant.

I don't think that necessarily disqualifies ECU from being in a Power 5 league, but a school's revenue makes a difference. Not just TV revenue, but merchandise sales, donations, and whatever fans are willing to pay for the revenue sports.

I can't rep yet but +3. I'll remember it when I can.
I think that the posts above have perfectly encapsulated the issue.

There really isn't much left to say.

Nobody hates ECU, or is trying to put them down, but reality is just that.
(09-13-2016 07:36 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: [ -> ]I think that the posts above have perfectly encapsulated the issue.

There really isn't much left to say.

Nobody hates ECU, or is trying to put them down, but reality is just that.

You mean perception is reality?

Every man takes the limits of his own field of vision for the limits of the world. There are things known and there are things unknown, and in between are the doors of perception. Life is 10 percent what you make it and 90 percent how you take it.

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All these people from other states are really putting us down, disguised as a two edged sword of a compliment.

Would some people just be happy if ECU had a catastrophe hit their school, location, and students? I mean, that's the only way we would ever cut our sports, and not be legitimately the football school of NC. But I honestly wouldn't wish that on anyone's college or university.
(09-14-2016 12:55 AM)B easy Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-13-2016 07:36 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: [ -> ]I think that the posts above have perfectly encapsulated the issue.

There really isn't much left to say.

Nobody hates ECU, or is trying to put them down, but reality is just that.

You mean perception is reality?

Every man takes the limits of his own field of vision for the limits of the world. There are things known and there are things unknown, and in between are the doors of perception. Life is 10 percent what you make it and 90 percent how you take it.

- Signed Pirates supporting Pirates

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No.

I mean reality is reality and there isn't any way around that.
(09-14-2016 06:53 AM)Starfox207 Wrote: [ -> ]All these people from other states are really putting us down, disguised as a two edged sword of a compliment.

Would some people just be happy if ECU had a catastrophe hit their school, location, and students? I mean, that's the only way we would ever cut our sports, and not be legitimately the football school of NC. But I honestly wouldn't wish that on anyone's college or university.

That's going way off the deep end.

Nobody is hating on ECU.

It isn't hating to call a spade a spade.
(09-14-2016 06:53 AM)Starfox207 Wrote: [ -> ]All these people from other states are really putting us down, disguised as a two edged sword of a compliment.

Would some people just be happy if ECU had a catastrophe hit their school, location, and students? I mean, that's the only way we would ever cut our sports, and not be legitimately the football school of NC. But I honestly wouldn't wish that on anyone's college or university.

You're being ridiculous.
(09-14-2016 11:57 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-14-2016 12:55 AM)B easy Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-13-2016 07:36 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: [ -> ]I think that the posts above have perfectly encapsulated the issue.

There really isn't much left to say.

Nobody hates ECU, or is trying to put them down, but reality is just that.

You mean perception is reality?

Every man takes the limits of his own field of vision for the limits of the world. There are things known and there are things unknown, and in between are the doors of perception. Life is 10 percent what you make it and 90 percent how you take it.



- Signed Pirates supporting Pirates

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No.

I mean reality is reality and there isn't any way around that.

You've got a negative attitude. That's what's stopping you. You've got to get your act together. If everyone had your attitude nothing of real value would ever get accomplished. Overcoming obstacles and proving the masses wrong is an American tradition, pal. ECU may have it's warts but we are a very determined bunch down here and we thrive off defying the odds.





You say there's no way around reality but reality intrinsically and constantly changes. Right now we have the leadership in place and I've been told that leadership is the capacity to translate vision into reality. A dream doesn't become reality through magic; it takes sweat, determination and hard work.



(09-14-2016 12:44 PM)AllTideUp Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-14-2016 06:53 AM)Starfox207 Wrote: [ -> ]All these people from other states are really putting us down, disguised as a two edged sword of a compliment.

Would some people just be happy if ECU had a catastrophe hit their school, location, and students? I mean, that's the only way we would ever cut our sports, and not be legitimately the football school of NC. But I honestly wouldn't wish that on anyone's college or university.

You're being ridiculous.

Wow, yeah a little over dramatic there.
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(09-14-2016 04:46 PM)Indiana Bones Wrote: [ -> ][Image: one-who-gains-strength-by-overcoming-adv...-quote.jpg]

Adapt

Innovate

Overcome

The United States Marine Corps' approach to difficulties in battle.

Kudos U.S.M.C.! Semper Fi!
(09-14-2016 04:24 PM)B easy Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-14-2016 11:57 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-14-2016 12:55 AM)B easy Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-13-2016 07:36 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: [ -> ]I think that the posts above have perfectly encapsulated the issue.

There really isn't much left to say.

Nobody hates ECU, or is trying to put them down, but reality is just that.

You mean perception is reality?

Every man takes the limits of his own field of vision for the limits of the world. There are things known and there are things unknown, and in between are the doors of perception. Life is 10 percent what you make it and 90 percent how you take it.



- Signed Pirates supporting Pirates

[Image: wynne_flag.jpg]

No.

I mean reality is reality and there isn't any way around that.

You've got a negative attitude. That's what's stopping you. You've got to get your act together. If everyone had your attitude nothing of real value would ever get accomplished. Overcoming obstacles and proving the masses wrong is an American tradition, pal. ECU may have it's warts but we are a very determined bunch down here and we thrive off defying the odds.





You say there's no way around reality but reality intrinsically and constantly changes. Right now we have the leadership in place and I've been told that leadership is the capacity to translate vision into reality. A dream doesn't become reality through magic; it takes sweat, determination and hard work.




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I might have taken it too far, I will agree with that. And no one outright said anything close to that, but it was on the road to getting there.

If you give us a compliment, please just don't have any strings attached to it and I have to wonder a) why did he have to say something bad along with the compliment.
(09-14-2016 06:29 PM)Starfox207 Wrote: [ -> ]I might have taken it too far, I will agree with that. And no one outright said anything close to that, but it was on the road to getting there.

If you give us a compliment, please just don't have any strings attached to it and I have to wonder a) why did he have to say something bad along with the compliment.

There are good and bad things with all programs. When it comes possible candidate talk, it will be discussed. It isn't just ECU. It happens with all the candidates that are out there for any conference they are a candidate for.

As stated, no one hates ECU.
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