No real surprises here. There are many more people in Georgia than Alabama and in Alabama the alumni of the two schools intentionally wear official clothing in self defense of one another. Florida is much less intense outside of the Walmart crowd and the Aggies are new. When the Vols win theirs will pick back up too. And L.S.U. folks usually sport their colors in droves but Louisiana has a lot more schools than just 2 big ones and two middle sized ones. So I think it's about right.
(08-20-2013 07:55 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]No real surprises here. There are many more people in Georgia than Alabama and in Alabama the alumni of the two schools intentionally wear official clothing in self defense of one another. Florida is much less intense outside of the Walmart crowd and the Aggies are new. When the Vols win theirs will pick back up too. And L.S.U. folks usually sport their colors in droves but Louisiana has a lot more schools than just 2 big ones and two middle sized ones. So I think it's about right.
Fair analysis. The Georgia one did surprise me but I can see what you are saying and why it probably shouldn't surprise me.
(08-20-2013 08:36 PM)He1nousOne Wrote: [ -> ] (08-20-2013 07:55 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]No real surprises here. There are many more people in Georgia than Alabama and in Alabama the alumni of the two schools intentionally wear official clothing in self defense of one another. Florida is much less intense outside of the Walmart crowd and the Aggies are new. When the Vols win theirs will pick back up too. And L.S.U. folks usually sport their colors in droves but Louisiana has a lot more schools than just 2 big ones and two middle sized ones. So I think it's about right.
Fair analysis. The Georgia one did surprise me but I can see what you are saying and why it probably shouldn't surprise me.
I think Missouri is a couple notches above 12, but whatever...
(08-20-2013 10:45 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote: [ -> ] (08-20-2013 08:36 PM)He1nousOne Wrote: [ -> ] (08-20-2013 07:55 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]No real surprises here. There are many more people in Georgia than Alabama and in Alabama the alumni of the two schools intentionally wear official clothing in self defense of one another. Florida is much less intense outside of the Walmart crowd and the Aggies are new. When the Vols win theirs will pick back up too. And L.S.U. folks usually sport their colors in droves but Louisiana has a lot more schools than just 2 big ones and two middle sized ones. So I think it's about right.
Fair analysis. The Georgia one did surprise me but I can see what you are saying and why it probably shouldn't surprise me.
I think Missouri is a couple notches above 12, but whatever...
Missouri wasn't a member for the full calendar year. They officially joined in July, I think.
(08-20-2013 10:45 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote: [ -> ] (08-20-2013 08:36 PM)He1nousOne Wrote: [ -> ] (08-20-2013 07:55 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]No real surprises here. There are many more people in Georgia than Alabama and in Alabama the alumni of the two schools intentionally wear official clothing in self defense of one another. Florida is much less intense outside of the Walmart crowd and the Aggies are new. When the Vols win theirs will pick back up too. And L.S.U. folks usually sport their colors in droves but Louisiana has a lot more schools than just 2 big ones and two middle sized ones. So I think it's about right.
Fair analysis. The Georgia one did surprise me but I can see what you are saying and why it probably shouldn't surprise me.
I think Missouri is a couple notches above 12, but whatever...
I'm sure the differences between the programs in the SEC for this kind of study are far more inconsequential than in any other conference.
(08-20-2013 11:45 PM)He1nousOne Wrote: [ -> ] (08-20-2013 10:45 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote: [ -> ] (08-20-2013 08:36 PM)He1nousOne Wrote: [ -> ] (08-20-2013 07:55 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]No real surprises here. There are many more people in Georgia than Alabama and in Alabama the alumni of the two schools intentionally wear official clothing in self defense of one another. Florida is much less intense outside of the Walmart crowd and the Aggies are new. When the Vols win theirs will pick back up too. And L.S.U. folks usually sport their colors in droves but Louisiana has a lot more schools than just 2 big ones and two middle sized ones. So I think it's about right.
Fair analysis. The Georgia one did surprise me but I can see what you are saying and why it probably shouldn't surprise me.
I think Missouri is a couple notches above 12, but whatever...
I'm sure the differences between the programs in the SEC for this kind of study are far more inconsequential than in any other conference.
I did notice in the overall ratings that once again the ACC was dragging up the rear.
(08-20-2013 07:55 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]No real surprises here. There are many more people in Georgia than Alabama and in Alabama the alumni of the two schools intentionally wear official clothing in self defense of one another. Florida is much less intense outside of the Walmart crowd and the Aggies are new. When the Vols win theirs will pick back up too. And L.S.U. folks usually sport their colors in droves but Louisiana has a lot more schools than just 2 big ones and two middle sized ones. So I think it's about right.
Exactly. The state of Georgia has nearly 10 million people. That's almost double Alabama's 4.8 million. And while Florida has 14 million people in it, most aren't fans of anything. Their just old folks hangin' out in God's Waiting Room.
It is a bit disheartening to see both of the Mississippi schools last in another category yet again.
(08-21-2013 10:01 AM)bigblueblindness Wrote: [ -> ]It is a bit disheartening to see both of the Mississippi schools last in another category yet again.
I think it is very misleading because I have been through that state and they are just as football crazy as anyone else in the region. So many Ole Miss and Miss State license plates as well as other items on cars. I think they have a much different position in ANY other conference.
(08-21-2013 07:33 AM)vandiver49 Wrote: [ -> ] (08-20-2013 07:55 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]No real surprises here. There are many more people in Georgia than Alabama and in Alabama the alumni of the two schools intentionally wear official clothing in self defense of one another. Florida is much less intense outside of the Walmart crowd and the Aggies are new. When the Vols win theirs will pick back up too. And L.S.U. folks usually sport their colors in droves but Louisiana has a lot more schools than just 2 big ones and two middle sized ones. So I think it's about right.
Exactly. The state of Georgia has nearly 10 million people. That's almost double Alabama's 4.8 million. And while Florida has 14 million people in it, most aren't fans of anything. Their just old folks hangin' out in God's Waiting Room.
A lot of them still follow the programs from their home state first and yes, old folks don't go to a lot of football games.
They do watch a lot of football though.
(08-21-2013 10:40 AM)He1nousOne Wrote: [ -> ] (08-21-2013 10:01 AM)bigblueblindness Wrote: [ -> ]It is a bit disheartening to see both of the Mississippi schools last in another category yet again.
I think it is very misleading because I have been through that state and they are just as football crazy as anyone else in the region. So many Ole Miss and Miss State license plates as well as other items on cars. I think they have a much different position in ANY other conference.
Sure, I don't doubt at all their passion, especially when you consider them against schools in other conferences. From my understanding, this study is about investment back into the program as much as being a "T-shirt" fan. The revenue totals for both schools clearly show that they do not collect as much revenue as everyone else, which is very much tied to football.
It just seems like they are both ALWAYS last in whatever category is considered. The are last in academics, revenue, athletic track record, market size, growth potential, et. al. As I've said before, combining the best of both schools and having one SEC program would put them at about the SEC average.
(08-21-2013 10:40 AM)He1nousOne Wrote: [ -> ] (08-21-2013 10:01 AM)bigblueblindness Wrote: [ -> ]It is a bit disheartening to see both of the Mississippi schools last in another category yet again.
I think it is very misleading because I have been through that state and they are just as football crazy as anyone else in the region. So many Ole Miss and Miss State license plates as well as other items on cars. I think they have a much different position in ANY other conference.
It's more about being one of the poorest states in the Union. At the bookstore in Auburn a game jersey costs $70.00 and a cap $25.00. The average fan on the streets in Mississippi can't afford to buy licensed team products like the t-shirt fans in Florida can and it's not the priority it is in Alabama. Add some wins and you will see a spike up, but nowhere near what you see in many other Southern states. They are just plain poor for the most part. Now don't misunderstand me. I'm not talking about Ole Miss and Miss State alumni, just the rest of the people in the state.
(08-21-2013 11:13 AM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ] (08-21-2013 10:40 AM)He1nousOne Wrote: [ -> ] (08-21-2013 10:01 AM)bigblueblindness Wrote: [ -> ]It is a bit disheartening to see both of the Mississippi schools last in another category yet again.
I think it is very misleading because I have been through that state and they are just as football crazy as anyone else in the region. So many Ole Miss and Miss State license plates as well as other items on cars. I think they have a much different position in ANY other conference.
It's more about being one of the poorest states in the Union. At the bookstore in Auburn a game jersey costs $70.00 and a cap $25.00. The average fan on the streets in Mississippi can't afford to buy licensed team products like the t-shirt fans in Florida can and it's not the priority it is in Alabama. Add some wins and you will see a spike up, but nowhere near what you see in many other Southern states. They are just plain poor for the most part. Now don't misunderstand me. I'm not talking about Ole Miss and Miss State alumni, just the rest of the people in the state.
That MS is a poor state with a
split fanbase only exacerbates to situation. I'm curious as to what the divide is actually. For instance, in GA I'm pretty confident that its 70/20/10 UGA/other/GT. In TN the ratio is pretty much the same. JR, what would guess AL is?
If I had to guess, perhaps 60/40 in favor of Ole Miss? 65/35?
(08-21-2013 12:20 PM)vandiver49 Wrote: [ -> ] (08-21-2013 11:13 AM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ] (08-21-2013 10:40 AM)He1nousOne Wrote: [ -> ] (08-21-2013 10:01 AM)bigblueblindness Wrote: [ -> ]It is a bit disheartening to see both of the Mississippi schools last in another category yet again.
I think it is very misleading because I have been through that state and they are just as football crazy as anyone else in the region. So many Ole Miss and Miss State license plates as well as other items on cars. I think they have a much different position in ANY other conference.
It's more about being one of the poorest states in the Union. At the bookstore in Auburn a game jersey costs $70.00 and a cap $25.00. The average fan on the streets in Mississippi can't afford to buy licensed team products like the t-shirt fans in Florida can and it's not the priority it is in Alabama. Add some wins and you will see a spike up, but nowhere near what you see in many other Southern states. They are just plain poor for the most part. Now don't misunderstand me. I'm not talking about Ole Miss and Miss State alumni, just the rest of the people in the state.
That MS is a poor state with a split fanbase only exacerbates to situation. I'm curious as to what the divide is actually. For instance, in GA I'm pretty confident that its 70/20/10 UGA/other/GT. In TN the ratio is pretty much the same. JR, what would guess AL is?
Well that depends if you look at the total fan base or just alumni. Auburn graduates many more than Alabama every year and our alumni base is stronger than theirs. Their graduates becomes lawyers, teachers, doctors, etc., and stay in the state. Auburn graduates lots of engineers and many of those move out of state for employment. So I'd say the alumni base is probably 55 / 45 in favor of Auburn. But if you count total fan base then Tuscaloosa Klingons give them the edge about 60 / 40.
I'd say the split in Mississippi is pretty darn close as well. He1nous isn't off by much by I'd say closer to 55 / 45 Ole Miss.
(08-21-2013 12:48 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ] (08-21-2013 12:20 PM)vandiver49 Wrote: [ -> ] (08-21-2013 11:13 AM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ] (08-21-2013 10:40 AM)He1nousOne Wrote: [ -> ] (08-21-2013 10:01 AM)bigblueblindness Wrote: [ -> ]It is a bit disheartening to see both of the Mississippi schools last in another category yet again.
I think it is very misleading because I have been through that state and they are just as football crazy as anyone else in the region. So many Ole Miss and Miss State license plates as well as other items on cars. I think they have a much different position in ANY other conference.
It's more about being one of the poorest states in the Union. At the bookstore in Auburn a game jersey costs $70.00 and a cap $25.00. The average fan on the streets in Mississippi can't afford to buy licensed team products like the t-shirt fans in Florida can and it's not the priority it is in Alabama. Add some wins and you will see a spike up, but nowhere near what you see in many other Southern states. They are just plain poor for the most part. Now don't misunderstand me. I'm not talking about Ole Miss and Miss State alumni, just the rest of the people in the state.
That MS is a poor state with a split fanbase only exacerbates to situation. I'm curious as to what the divide is actually. For instance, in GA I'm pretty confident that its 70/20/10 UGA/other/GT. In TN the ratio is pretty much the same. JR, what would guess AL is?
Well that depends if you look at the total fan base or just alumni. Auburn graduates many more than Alabama every year and our alumni base is stronger than theirs. Their graduates becomes lawyers, teachers, doctors, etc., and stay in the state. Auburn graduates lots of engineers and many of those move out of state for employment. So I'd say the alumni base is probably 55 / 45 in favor of Auburn. But if you count total fan base then Tuscaloosa Klingons give them the edge about 60 / 40.
I'd say the split in Mississippi is pretty darn close as well. He1nous isn't off by much by I'd say closer to 55 / 45 Ole Miss.
Ole Miss also has tremendous national branding potential if they can tap into it. There is a mystique and general romance about the place that Southerners appreciate and all others seem to be curious about exploring. If a foreigner asked where they should spend one day in the South and they would never have a chance to go anywhere else, I think a game day in Oxford would be hard to beat. I think some of the recent ESPN films and pieces on Ole Miss and the state in general is helping outsiders to realize that they are not stuck in the 1950's. In terms of football specifically, I don't think there is a better combination of school nickname, colors, mascot (the real one), or general atmosphere.
(08-21-2013 10:40 AM)He1nousOne Wrote: [ -> ] (08-21-2013 10:01 AM)bigblueblindness Wrote: [ -> ]It is a bit disheartening to see both of the Mississippi schools last in another category yet again.
I think it is very misleading because I have been through that state and they are just as football crazy as anyone else in the region. So many Ole Miss and Miss State license plates as well as other items on cars. I think they have a much different position in ANY other conference.
And ESPN is running a story this morning on how the PAC is just about ready to take on the SEC now...
(08-21-2013 01:16 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote: [ -> ] (08-21-2013 10:40 AM)He1nousOne Wrote: [ -> ] (08-21-2013 10:01 AM)bigblueblindness Wrote: [ -> ]It is a bit disheartening to see both of the Mississippi schools last in another category yet again.
I think it is very misleading because I have been through that state and they are just as football crazy as anyone else in the region. So many Ole Miss and Miss State license plates as well as other items on cars. I think they have a much different position in ANY other conference.
And ESPN is running a story this morning on how the PAC is just about ready to take on the SEC now...
The only way the PAC is ready to take on the SEC is if they play us with Stanford's defense and Oregon's offense and I don't think that is permitted.
(08-21-2013 01:58 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ] (08-21-2013 01:16 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote: [ -> ] (08-21-2013 10:40 AM)He1nousOne Wrote: [ -> ] (08-21-2013 10:01 AM)bigblueblindness Wrote: [ -> ]It is a bit disheartening to see both of the Mississippi schools last in another category yet again.
I think it is very misleading because I have been through that state and they are just as football crazy as anyone else in the region. So many Ole Miss and Miss State license plates as well as other items on cars. I think they have a much different position in ANY other conference.
And ESPN is running a story this morning on how the PAC is just about ready to take on the SEC now...
The only way the PAC is ready to take on the SEC is if they play us with Stanford's defense and Oregon's offense and I don't think that is permitted.
Now THAT would be an all star game I would watch... SEC all stars against anybody.