http://web.jhu.edu/administration/presid..._05_10.pdf
Quote:In light of the preceding discussion and considerations, it is the unanimous recommendation of this Committee that the University pursue a conference membership for the Johns Hopkins men’s lacrosse program.
Four criteria it believes would be important in any agreement to join a conference:
1) An initial membership term of five years
2) An opportunity to evaluate Johns Hopkins’ position in the conference after three years, at which point the option would exist to either extend the initial agreement or to part ways at the conclusion of the initial agreement
3) A guarantee that a decision by an existing full member of the conference to sponsor the sport of men’s lacrosse or the addition to the conference of a full member that sponsors men’s lacrosse will not jeopardize Johns Hopkins’ affiliation with the league
4) The ability for Johns Hopkins to maintain its existing television broadcasting relationship with ESPNU
Quote:Nevertheless, the Athletics Department has confirmed to the Committee it has every desire to maintain traditional rivalries with institutions such as Maryland, Syracuse, Virginia, Navy, North Carolina and Loyola. These are not only meaningful rivalries, they are excellent lacrosse programs. Continuing to play against them is not only important to JHU lacrosse fans, it would help Johns Hopkins maximize its own strength of schedule.
ACC wins that argument, hands down.
So, who gets them? Let the speculation begin
Other key points:
• Alignment with the considered conferences would be unlikely to result in any revenue sharing with JHU in the near term.
• Alignment with the considered conferences would not require dues or any direct financial commitment from JHU.
• There are no indications that joining a conference would alter JHU’s television contract with ESPNU, which was recently renewed. ESPNU is fully aware of the JHU’s deliberations concerning conference alignment.
Interesting... I would think that both ESPNU and a conference would want exclusive rights to a JHU home game.
So, given that, it must be that ACC/ESPN gets JHU.
On the other hand:
• Depending on the conference and schedule of play, there could be additional travel for the team, including one or two games annually that require air travel.
• Additional air travel would likely require increasing the men’s lacrosse budget by $20,000 to
$30,000 annually.
Would the ACC require more travel? B1G would require more than "one or two", correct?
Let's just be fair to say that only two conferences can support this brand. BIG and ACC!
(05-17-2013 09:09 AM)CK42NC Wrote: [ -> ]Let's just be fair to say that only two conferences can support this brand. BIG and ACC!
Agreed.
If it's a conference championship they want, the B1G is the easier road (but getting tougher). It would also help Hop get exposure to new markets.
Quote:Moreover, conference alignment would further expand the reach of Johns Hopkins lacrosse to new regions, many of which are home to Johns Hopkins alumni and friends who are anxious to support their team.
Let's just be fair to say that only three conferences can support this brand, Big East, BiG and ACC.
(Maybe four, if the Patriot is an option.)
(05-17-2013 09:15 AM)DFW HOYA Wrote: [ -> ]Let's just be fair to say that only three conferences can support this brand, Big East, BiG and ACC.
(Maybe four, if the Patriot is an option.)
If they had their pick, it would be Ivy and done with it.
The Patriot doesn't have as many big lax names as the ACC. Any team considering joining the big east has a tough sell to make. It's just too soon to tell what's going to happen with it.
They would all require ar travel
Wow, surprising I thought the writing on the wall was all pointing to the Big Ten before this, but keeping the ESPNU deal most likely means ACC. Which is great, because if we want to continue to be an elite team we should go to the best conference instead of hiding where we can get an easier AQ.
What is the Patriot's tv deal like?
Although on second thought the Big Ten may be willing to let us in and keep ESPNU just to give Maryland somewhere to play.
(05-17-2013 11:50 AM)dingdong Wrote: [ -> ]Wow, surprising I thought the writing on the wall was all pointing to the Big Ten before this, but keeping the ESPNU deal most likely means ACC. Which is great, because if we want to continue to be an elite team we should go to the best conference instead of hiding where we can get an easier AQ.
What is the Patriot's tv deal like?
Although on second thought the Big Ten may be willing to let us in and keep ESPNU just to give Maryland somewhere to play.
The B1G will have 5 D1 men's lax teams (including us) so we'll play a B1G schedule. The ACC will have five teams as well (just, you know, better).
I'm confident that the Maryland/Hopkins game will continue to be an annual event regardless of conference affiliation.
(05-17-2013 12:09 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote: [ -> ] (05-17-2013 11:50 AM)dingdong Wrote: [ -> ]Wow, surprising I thought the writing on the wall was all pointing to the Big Ten before this, but keeping the ESPNU deal most likely means ACC. Which is great, because if we want to continue to be an elite team we should go to the best conference instead of hiding where we can get an easier AQ.
What is the Patriot's tv deal like?
Although on second thought the Big Ten may be willing to let us in and keep ESPNU just to give Maryland somewhere to play.
The B1G will have 5 D1 men's lax teams (including us) so we'll play a B1G schedule. The ACC will have five teams as well (just, you know, better).
I'm confident that the Maryland/Hopkins game will continue to be an annual game regardless of conference affiliation.
I would be shocked if the Maryland/Hopkins game ever ended.
I don't think a Big Ten conference is forming without 6 members, because the AQ is just too important for them. If we don't join would the Big Ten consider adding Denver for just Lax? If not does Maryland go Independent (while playing the other four B1G teams)?
(05-17-2013 08:59 AM)SeaBlue Wrote: [ -> ]Would the ACC require more travel? B1G would require more than "one or two", correct?
Not likely ~ with hypothetical conference mates Maryland, Rutgers, Penn State, Ohio State and that School up North, it would be straightforward to schedule JHU so they would not required more than two trips in any given year.
On one hand I say this points to Hopkins to the ACC. On the other hand the Big Ten might be easier. Hopkins keeps its ESPNU deal and money for its home games. Big Ten has BTN/ESPNU? televise games for full conference members and Hopkins @ other B1G squads games. Big Ten keeps its money sans for perhaps some small flat per game stipend to Hopkins for the 2 to 3 conference matchups they will be away for (if the game is televised). And of course Hopkins joins the CIC.
As for travel. 3 teams they play are bus trips in Maryland, Rutgers and Penn State. 2 other squads require a short flight. If you balance it so they're only away at one of Michigan or Ohio State each year they're golden.
If the Ivy approached them in any form, this is going to be a swift and easy decision.
(05-17-2013 12:21 PM)dingdong Wrote: [ -> ] (05-17-2013 12:09 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote: [ -> ] (05-17-2013 11:50 AM)dingdong Wrote: [ -> ]Wow, surprising I thought the writing on the wall was all pointing to the Big Ten before this, but keeping the ESPNU deal most likely means ACC. Which is great, because if we want to continue to be an elite team we should go to the best conference instead of hiding where we can get an easier AQ.
What is the Patriot's tv deal like?
Although on second thought the Big Ten may be willing to let us in and keep ESPNU just to give Maryland somewhere to play.
The B1G will have 5 D1 men's lax teams (including us) so we'll play a B1G schedule. The ACC will have five teams as well (just, you know, better).
I'm confident that the Maryland/Hopkins game will continue to be an annual game regardless of conference affiliation.
I would be shocked if the Maryland/Hopkins game ever ended.
I don't think a Big Ten conference is forming without 6 members, because the AQ is just too important for them. If we don't join would the Big Ten consider adding Denver for just Lax? If not does Maryland go Independent (while playing the other four B1G teams)?
I doubt the B1G would add Denver, they'd probably just pressure Mich State to re-institute its lax program instead. I can't see Maryland going indy, we're not Hopkins. We could cobble together schedules for a season or two if push came to shove, but we'd need a conference eventually.
(05-17-2013 11:50 AM)dingdong Wrote: [ -> ]Wow, surprising I thought the writing on the wall was all pointing to the Big Ten before this, but keeping the ESPNU deal most likely means ACC. Which is great, because if we want to continue to be an elite team we should go to the best conference instead of hiding where we can get an easier AQ.
What is the Patriot's tv deal like?
Although on second thought the Big Ten may be willing to let us in and keep ESPNU just to give Maryland somewhere to play.
I agree about the ESPNU part being a big deal. The Big Ten wants this in part for the Big Ten Network and beyond that, FOX is probably going to have to agree to let ESPN keep their home games if they join the Big Ten. It's a lot simpler if they join the ACC with ESPN already owning all ACC rights.
At this point, I'd guess ACC.
(05-17-2013 12:35 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote: [ -> ] (05-17-2013 12:21 PM)dingdong Wrote: [ -> ] (05-17-2013 12:09 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote: [ -> ] (05-17-2013 11:50 AM)dingdong Wrote: [ -> ]Wow, surprising I thought the writing on the wall was all pointing to the Big Ten before this, but keeping the ESPNU deal most likely means ACC. Which is great, because if we want to continue to be an elite team we should go to the best conference instead of hiding where we can get an easier AQ.
What is the Patriot's tv deal like?
Although on second thought the Big Ten may be willing to let us in and keep ESPNU just to give Maryland somewhere to play.
The B1G will have 5 D1 men's lax teams (including us) so we'll play a B1G schedule. The ACC will have five teams as well (just, you know, better).
I'm confident that the Maryland/Hopkins game will continue to be an annual game regardless of conference affiliation.
I would be shocked if the Maryland/Hopkins game ever ended.
I don't think a Big Ten conference is forming without 6 members, because the AQ is just too important for them. If we don't join would the Big Ten consider adding Denver for just Lax? If not does Maryland go Independent (while playing the other four B1G teams)?
I doubt the B1G would add Denver, they'd probably just pressure Mich State to re-institute its lax program instead. I can't see Maryland going indy, we're not Hopkins. We could cobble together schedules for a season or two if push came to shove, but we'd need a conference eventually.
The only reason the Big Ten would add an affiliate member in this case is because Hopkins is a Lacrosse Powerhouse on the level of ND in football and because Hopkins is such a prestigious institution.
The provision of "we leave when we want, not when you want" (membership safety if/when additional members join and the review cycles) makes me think it's the B1G. Even with the tv deal and travel, the B1G's the most eager to form a conference and in no shape ready to dictate a concrete scheme for lax television revenue distribution. And I just think the ACC is too loaded.
In the B1G, the UMD game is protected. Until lacrosse gets to this scale when schools can travel freely like football and hoops do, I think those games with Loyola, Navy, and UVA are pretty safe, too.
(05-17-2013 12:37 PM)ohio1317 Wrote: [ -> ]I agree about the ESPNU part being a big deal. The Big Ten wants this in part for the Big Ten Network and beyond that, FOX is probably going to have to agree to let ESPN keep their home games if they join the Big Ten. It's a lot simpler if they join the ACC with ESPN already owning all ACC rights.
Why in the world would the BTN object to JHU keeping their present level of exposure on ESPNU? It would be free advertisement for the Big Ten Lacrosse games on the BTN.
Since there is not yet a Big Ten Lacrosse conference, Big Ten lacrosse carriage rights are not yet an established fact, so there's nothing preventing the Big Ten from setting things up at the outset to avoid complications. For instance, "the affiliate keeps their home game rights, BTN gets their away game rights, the BTN revenues go into the common kitty for full members" substantially simplifies things all around.