Tigers are having a very good year. But the SEC is too weak to have wrestling, so will Missouri drop it when they move? Wrestle indpendent? Keep affiliation w/ Big 12?
WVU has a wrestling team, will be a tough move to the Big 12, but good for the conference. Loss of Neb didn't help them.
Would love to see Texas start sponsoring a varsity team.
(02-15-2012 11:46 AM)DrTorch Wrote: [ -> ]Tigers are having a very good year. But the SEC is too weak to have wrestling, so will Missouri drop it when they move? Wrestle indpendent? Keep affiliation w/ Big 12?
WVU has a wrestling team, will be a tough move to the Big 12, but good for the conference. Loss of Neb didn't help them.
Would love to see Texas start sponsoring a varsity team.
Men's wrestling and soccer are Title IX casualties in the SEC - not sure what you meant by "SEC too weak to have wrestling", but you can't have it all. In the SEC, fans prefer good baseball (which actually generates revenue for some schools) over wrestling & soccer anyway - so there's that.
(02-15-2012 11:46 AM)DrTorch Wrote: [ -> ]Tigers are having a very good year. But the SEC is too weak to have wrestling, so will Missouri drop it when they move? Wrestle indpendent? Keep affiliation w/ Big 12?
WVU has a wrestling team, will be a tough move to the Big 12, but good for the conference. Loss of Neb didn't help them.
Would love to see Texas start sponsoring a varsity team.
How many scholarships does a wrestling program need?
According to
http://www.ncwa.net/teams and my fingers and thumbs, 8 SEC schools have club teams. The SEC is negotiating with ESPN with A&M and Missouri coming in, if the result is an SEC network, amateur SEC wrestling could fill some holes in the schedule.
I'm pretty sure that you can't use non-football scholarship athletes in football. Is it cheating to do the reverse, have a scholarship football player wrestle or run track?
Then again, Coach is not going to be happy if his special teamers are missing practices to play another sport.
(02-15-2012 11:46 AM)DrTorch Wrote: [ -> ]Tigers are having a very good year. But the SEC is too weak to have wrestling, so will Missouri drop it when they move? Wrestle indpendent? Keep affiliation w/ Big 12?
WVU has a wrestling team, will be a tough move to the Big 12, but good for the conference. Loss of Neb didn't help them.
Would love to see Texas start sponsoring a varsity team.
WVU's wrestling team is no slouch. They're a bit down this year due to the youth of the team. The Mountaineers have lost a lot of good wrestlers to graduation the last couple of years...
I'm curious to see where WVU's men's soccer team ends up. Marlon LeBlanc has built a nationally respected program, and nobody at WVU wants that to end...
(02-15-2012 12:02 PM)johnbragg Wrote: [ -> ] (02-15-2012 11:46 AM)DrTorch Wrote: [ -> ]Tigers are having a very good year. But the SEC is too weak to have wrestling, so will Missouri drop it when they move? Wrestle indpendent? Keep affiliation w/ Big 12?
WVU has a wrestling team, will be a tough move to the Big 12, but good for the conference. Loss of Neb didn't help them.
Would love to see Texas start sponsoring a varsity team.
How many scholarships does a wrestling program need?
According to http://www.ncwa.net/teams and my fingers and thumbs, 8 SEC schools have club teams. The SEC is negotiating with ESPN with A&M and Missouri coming in, if the result is an SEC network, amateur SEC wrestling could fill some holes in the schedule.
I'm pretty sure that you can't use non-football scholarship athletes in football. Is it cheating to do the reverse, have a scholarship football player wrestle or run track?
Then again, Coach is not going to be happy if his special teamers are missing practices to play another sport.
I think if you have a guy who is playing both football and wrestle, they always count towards the 85 man roster in football. I'm not sure if they count against the limit for wrestling.
WVU wrestling is going to the Big 12. WVU soccer needs a home. MAC makes the most sense.
As of today, not even Missouri has any idea where their wrestling program is going. Doubt they would drop their program, especially since St Louis is a frequent host to the NCAA tourney in that sport.
Ah, they can put a sport in a different confrence if the SEC doesn't have that sport. South Carolina is in C-USA for soccer.
(02-15-2012 12:10 PM)ecumbh1999 Wrote: [ -> ]Ah, they can put a sport in a different confrence if the SEC doesn't have that sport. South Carolina is in C-USA for soccer.
Oh, sure they could. I'm just looking at things through the prism of the SEC down the road having it's own network to program and practically having money to burn.
I figure that the SEC and ESPN are about to work out how to launch a network together. That network is going to mean more money for SEC schools to launch new sports, and more demand for different non-revenue sports to fill programming. Just like the Big Ten Network has been a factor in the Big Ten hockey schools 1) pushing Penn State a little to join and 2) having them reorganize into a hockey conference.
In that sort of environment, I expect you'll see SEC soccer, SEC women's lacrosse, SEC wrestling. The main limitation will be Title IX. "Competitive Cheer" would get you a decent number of scholarships--there are 20 on a team and I don't know how many subs. Not the worst non-revenue sport for ticket sales, either, if that makes any sense.
Wrestling is one of several sports that is the #2/#3 favorite behind one or both of the Big 2. In general, it tends to be one of these depending on school history and region:
-Baseball
-Wrestling
-Lacrosse
-Water Polo
-Hockey
In the SEC, baseball is the most popular men's sport behind the Big 2 though several SEC teams, most notably LSU, were pretty darn good at it and fielded competitive squads but chose to abandon the sport when Title IX became law in favor of baseball.
Not sure what Mizzou will do, probably look at the MVC for wrestling.
(02-15-2012 12:08 PM)Okie Chippewa Wrote: [ -> ]WVU wrestling is going to the Big 12. WVU soccer needs a home. MAC makes the most sense.
As of today, not even Missouri has any idea where their wrestling program is going. Doubt they would drop their program, especially since St Louis is a frequent host to the NCAA tourney in that sport.
The EWL needs a team now that WVU is gone...
(02-15-2012 12:02 PM)johnbragg Wrote: [ -> ] (02-15-2012 11:46 AM)DrTorch Wrote: [ -> ]Tigers are having a very good year. But the SEC is too weak to have wrestling, so will Missouri drop it when they move? Wrestle indpendent? Keep affiliation w/ Big 12?
WVU has a wrestling team, will be a tough move to the Big 12, but good for the conference. Loss of Neb didn't help them.
Would love to see Texas start sponsoring a varsity team.
How many scholarships does a wrestling program need?
If I understood correctly, wrestling scholarships are capped at 9.9.
I assume you can have another sport scholarship athlete participate, but I doubt that sport's coach would be very pleased.
Anyway, hope Missouri doesn't drop wrestling. Wouldn't be bad if Big 12 let them keep it there.
But, MAC for Mizzou wrestling and WVU soccer would be fine too!
(02-15-2012 01:04 PM)bitcruncher Wrote: [ -> ] (02-15-2012 12:08 PM)Okie Chippewa Wrote: [ -> ]WVU wrestling is going to the Big 12. WVU soccer needs a home. MAC makes the most sense.
As of today, not even Missouri has any idea where their wrestling program is going. Doubt they would drop their program, especially since St Louis is a frequent host to the NCAA tourney in that sport.
The EWL needs a team now that WVU is gone...
There is actually a push to bring Div I wrestling to UMBC. But, that's still some years out.
I was wondering this. Mizzou may be able to stay in the Big 12 with the addition of WVU. If not they can replace Pitt or WVU in their former conferences. I wish ECU still had an NCAA team. We ran the SoCon until we had to drop it.
(02-15-2012 02:55 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote: [ -> ]I was wondering this. Mizzou may be able to stay in the Big 12 with the addition of WVU. If not they can replace Pitt or WVU in their former conferences. I wish ECU still had an NCAA team. We ran the SoCon until we had to drop it.
UNCG and Liberty just dropped their programs.
It's disgusting. Wrestling is big in NC (WHOOOOO!) and So Va too, I'm beginning to gather.
Football just eats up so much of the male side of the scholarship balance that a lot of sports like men's hockey, wrestling and lacrosse either get cut or can not be added even if there is a lot of interest.
Two rumors I heard is they will join the Western Wrestling Conference with Air Force, North Dakota State, South Dakota State Wyoming and Northern Iowa etc. The other rumor is the WWC and Big 12 will merge for wrestling purposes.
(02-15-2012 03:05 PM)DrTorch Wrote: [ -> ] (02-15-2012 02:55 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote: [ -> ]I was wondering this. Mizzou may be able to stay in the Big 12 with the addition of WVU. If not they can replace Pitt or WVU in their former conferences. I wish ECU still had an NCAA team. We ran the SoCon until we had to drop it.
UNCG and Liberty just dropped their programs.
It's disgusting. Wrestling is big in NC (WHOOOOO!) and So Va too, I'm beginning to gather.
Liberty actually just got theirs back too. That's what sucks. UNCG underachieved for years and pretty much bought their own demise.
At least NC does still have Gardner-Webb, UNC, Duke, NC State, App State, Davidson and other DII programs.
Isn't UNCG mainly a girl's school?
(02-15-2012 03:16 PM)10thMountain Wrote: [ -> ]Football just eats up so much of the male side of the scholarship balance that a lot of sports like men's hockey, wrestling and lacrosse either get cut or can not be added even if there is a lot of interest.
I just had the completely stupid thought that the only way to remedy the unfairness of football eating up male scholarships while not providing any female scholarships since it's the one sport without a female equivalent is to MAKE CHEERLEADING A NCAA SPORT. I mean, right? Oh, there are male cheerleaders but the bulk are female. And it's not like there aren't tons of organized cheer competitions. Oh sure, you'd have to get some logistics worked out--when would the competitions happen? On game days? Before or after games?--but between the football and basketball squads that would eat up a healthy chunk of those 80 football schollys.
(The simple thing to do, of course, would be to stop pretending football isn't special and leave it out of Title IX concerns entirely.)
(02-15-2012 04:40 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote: [ -> ]Isn't UNCG mainly a girl's school?
It was before 1963