The main reason we're able to see this corrupt BOT's improper influence is the fact that a hire such as this is scrutinized by so many people, especially fans and the local media. However, imagine the improper meddling that must go on with administrative and academic hires at UAB as well, hirings that have very few people outside of the University keeping up with them.
For example, about eight or nine years ago, the Business School hired a guy by the name of Albert Niemi to be the dean. This guy had turned Georgia's business school into a nationally top-ranked program and he stated his goal was to do the same to UAB's. He left after only a few months (he's now at SMU) and actually publicly stated the reason was he could not get anything done because of the continued rejection of his plans by the BOT and the fear that UAB's Business School would be better than Tuscaloosa's. One instance I remember was that local business leaders had requested an executive MBA program and were committed to funding a program at UAB. The BOT rejected this and the money was subsequently given to Samford to start a program.
If I, as a former student, saw it happen in an area of my studies, then it is highly probable that it has gone on elsewhere at UAB. I'm sure there may be quite a few former employees who have some interesting stories and there may be some, like former President Reynolds whose court settlement prevent them from telling those stories.
I plan to point this out in my complaint to SACS and letters to others and I hope you all mention this information in any of your communications as well. We can get something done, but it's going to take work from everyone!
Go Blazers!
Excellent first post. I am also writing an official complaint to SACS. Additionally, I'm writing the governor to air this greivance and will mention that I have written SACS. I will not let him know which violations in particular I have found, since he is a member of the board he doesn't need to know that right now. Write a letter to Gov Riley as well to let him know your displeasure.
What gets me is why on earth did they allow UAB to house the Medical College ? and allow such a terrific basketball team to take hold?...How is that tons and tons of money for any kind of medical research is poured into UAB and not Tuscaloosa...
Besides being a major party school UAT is home to a decent law school though its ranked towards the bottom of the US News & World Report's Top 100 Law Schools Lists and a football team that fires its coach every time they lose to Auburn
UAB is nationally known for its top medical research and its superior education curriculum. Plus UAB is what #3 on the list of Top Medical Research Facilities? I think Johns Hopkins and UNC-Charlotte beat us out..
The bottom line is we all know having a UAB degree is much more worthwhile than a UA degree because people will know oh UA is just a party school that has fans who continue to believe Bear Bryant and that winning team of his is just going to come right back here and win again!
I honestly think if Bryant had died in today's world the die hard fans would have pushed hard for him to be cryogenically frozen in hopes he would come back to take the Tide to another winning season..
Justice_Blazer Wrote:What gets me is why on earth did they allow UAB to house the Medical College ? and allow such a terrific basketball team to take hold?...How is that tons and tons of money for any kind of medical research is poured into UAB and not Tuscaloosa...
Besides being a major party school UAT is home to a decent law school though its ranked towards the bottom of the US News & World Report's Top 100 Law Schools Lists and a football team that fires its coach every time they lose to Auburn
UAB is nationally known for its top medical research and its superior education curriculum. Plus UAB is what #3 on the list of Top Medical Research Facilities? I think Johns Hopkins and UNC-Charlotte beat us out..
The bottom line is we all know having a UAB degree is much more worthwhile than a UA degree because people will know oh UA is just a party school that has fans who continue to believe Bear Bryant and that winning team of his is just going to come right back here and win again!
I honestly think if Bryant had died in today's world the die hard fans would have pushed hard for him to be cryogenically frozen in hopes he would come back to take the Tide to another winning season..
Get your facts straight.
Medical School basically begat UAB. Not the other way around.
The Law School at UA is 43rd in US News and World Report. It's tied with SMU, Tulane, American, Cal, Arizona and Colorado.
If a UAB degree is worth so much more than one from UA, why is UAB ranked lower in the same US News and World Report. UA is ranked in the top 100. I can't find UAB.
You also can't find your arse with both hands and a flashlight. Go troll another board.
Screw your law school. You are just another wart on the ass of society. There are so many of alumni from your fine school pushing up insurance rates and making us proud down in Montgomery.
Justice_Blazer Wrote:What gets me is why on earth did they allow UAB to house the Medical College ? and allow such a terrific basketball team to take hold?...How is that tons and tons of money for any kind of medical research is poured into UAB and not Tuscaloosa...
Besides being a major party school UAT is home to a decent law school though its ranked towards the bottom of the US News & World Report's Top 100 Law Schools Lists and a football team that fires its coach every time they lose to Auburn
UAB is nationally known for its top medical research and its superior education curriculum. Plus UAB is what #3 on the list of Top Medical Research Facilities? I think Johns Hopkins and UNC-Charlotte beat us out..
The bottom line is we all know having a UAB degree is much more worthwhile than a UA degree because people will know oh UA is just a party school that has fans who continue to believe Bear Bryant and that winning team of his is just going to come right back here and win again!
I honestly think if Bryant had died in today's world the die hard fans would have pushed hard for him to be cryogenically frozen in hopes he would come back to take the Tide to another winning season..
This is the kind of crap that makes legitimate complaints against the BOT worthless. You are taking a personal shot at UA graduates. The majority of which either dont care one way or another about UAB, or support UAB. Remeber UAB does not have a problem with UA, it has a problem with the BoT and some UA graduates.
UA has plenty of great attributes. It has nationally recognized business and law schools. It is no longer considered a major party school these days. And like UAB and numerous other schools in Alabama provides a fine education to its students.
Taking potshots like that at the entire school is gonna turn away alot of the sympathetic UA fans and graduates as well as turn away some graduates of other schools.
Take the high road, don't sink to the level of fans of other schools that mock others in order to validate their own fandom.
That's all well and good TB, but the Alabama Lege is full of guys who graduated from UA Law.
I'm quite certain that they will vote their conscience and do right by UAB.
/sarcasm off
And there is an AU group that would love to stick it to the tide
It's not a good time to be a Turd fan posting on the UAB board. This isn't Turdinsideher or al.com. We like running trolls off.......... :domokun:
UAB Band Dad Wrote:That's all well and good TB, but the Alabama Lege is full of guys who graduated from UA Law.
I'm quite certain that they will vote their conscience and do right by UAB.
/sarcasm off
Thats a perfectly legitimate complaint. Point out that Legislator X is taking actions against the betterment of one of the larges public instutions in the state because of personal alliegances. Don't lump the entire alumni base of UA or all the fans of UA athletics in that category.
This may come as a shock to you but most UA fans and alumni dont hate UAB and/or its athletics. Either they dont have any opinion of UAB (bad or good) or they actually are supportive of UAB. Yes there a rather loud number of UA fans that actually HATE the teams and fans of UAB, AU, and UT, but they are few and far between.
Especially at this dark time in UAB athletics, UAB needs as many supporters as it can get.
If you start hating all UA graduates now, you are never gonna get support from them. You are just gonna breed a future generation of politicians and citizens that have a grudge against UAB and this struggle will never end except with the end of UAB athletics.
Call it ignornance if you will, but the same set of BoT is over UA, UAB, and UAH?!?!? So.. Good old boy Paul Bryant Jr. has as much power at UAH that he does at UA. I am a little tired so I didn't know if I was losing my mind or if I really heard that. Very crazy. You guys really need to look to serioiusly doing a fezability study or something to see if it is a possibility to drop from teh UA system and the pros/cons would be. This group would need to evaluate the entire university (not just athetlics but if you could prove that they are meddling then there is an excellent chance that they will give more thought towards those.
Sorry.. I fell asleep while I was writing this. I will come back tomorrow and see if there is any sense that can be made from this post!
Sorry!::)
I've been following your situation the past couple of weeks.
You fellas seem to have the same problems Georgia State has with the UGA influenced Board of Regents in this state. The Dawgs get what they want first, then Tech gets theirs and the rest of the state scraps for the rest. Like UAB, GSU is located in the heart of the state (Atlanta), and has seen tremendous growth. Despite being held down for decades, it has risen to become the second largest university in the state and through it's endowments has made many downtown building purchases.
GSU is well on it's way to becoming a major research university and will be adding 6,000 on-campus beds within 3 years. Things are looking good, but we have one MAJOR missing element...football. It's no secret that the state with 2 1-A programs will likely stay that way as long as the BOR stays as is. People say that's impossible, the school President makes those decisions. That's True. But the students and alumni have been asking for years for football, but all the Presidents keep saying NO. Why is it that Georgia State Presidents never want football? Oh, yeah did I mention that the BOR makes our current President, Carl Patton, the highest paid state director at 750K annually and that the most influential member of the BOR happens to be the largest single money contributor to the Dawg football program?
So, yeah, I feel for you guys. Politics in sports is alive and well, and the powers that be don't want you messin with their game.
As they say, power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
As for Jimbo, he would have been an awesome hire, but don't get down too hard on Coach NC (he's not the real problem). If you think about it he's pobably a pawn in this too. Your more likely to use him to your advantage than you realize.
Good Luck exposing this mess for what it is.
Quote:The Law School at UA is 43rd in US News and World Report. It's tied with SMU, Tulane, American, Cal, Arizona and Colorado.
Are you bragging about being the 43rd best? Let us know when you have something ranked in the Top 5...no wait, top 10...no, top 15....nah, too hard, how about Top 25?
Get the hell out of here. Your law school blows.
STLouis Blazer Wrote:Quote:The Law School at UA is 43rd in US News and World Report. It's tied with SMU, Tulane, American, Cal, Arizona and Colorado.
Are you bragging about being the 43rd best? Let us know when you have something ranked in the Top 5...no wait, top 10...no, top 15....nah, too hard, how about Top 25?
Get the hell out of here. Your law school blows.
Well to be a little fairer, I think there about 50% more accredited law schools than medical schools. Plus I think 4-5 other law schools in alabama whereas there are only 2 medical schools (thanks dfarr, i had completely forgotten about USA)
Plus I am not sure where you are getting your numbers from but UAB is ranked a very respectable 22 (for medical research education) and 28 (primary care education) in the 2007 US News. Both very, very good rankings that UAB should be proud of but not top 5 or top 10 rankings which you claim is all that matters.
Besides rankings dont mean anything. They can easily be inflated and manipulated by the schools. Plus all they do is give alums of the top programs something more to be smug about.
Once you start boasting about how the medical school is one of the best in the nation, UA grads are gonna fire back about how USNews voted UA a better undergrad institution (which it clearly is not) and that their business school is one of the top in the nation. According to USNews UA is a tier one school while UAB is a tier 3 school. I personally dont find a big difference between the two schools academically especially not a two tier difference.
I have seen just as many good lawyers graduate from Birmingham School of Law as I have seen graduate from UA School of Law. Likewise, I have many doctors graduate from some podunk little medical school and go on and be great and wonderful doctors just like I have seen good doctors come out UAB.
I'll wait for you to remove your foot from your mouth now.
TenaciousBoy Wrote:STLouis Blazer Wrote:Quote:The Law School at UA is 43rd in US News and World Report. It's tied with SMU, Tulane, American, Cal, Arizona and Colorado.
Are you bragging about being the 43rd best? Let us know when you have something ranked in the Top 5...no wait, top 10...no, top 15....nah, too hard, how about Top 25?
Get the hell out of here. Your law school blows.
Well to be a little fairer, I think there about 50% more accredited law schools than medical schools. Plus I think 4-5 other law schools in alabama whereas there is only 1 medical school
USA has a medical school.
Also, there are currently more people in law school than there are actual practicing lawyers in the US.
UAB is currently ranked on the Best Hosptials List:
6th in rheumatology
heart and heart surgery (14th)
gynecology (14th)
kidney disease (17th)
cancer (23rd); and orthopedics (47th)
UA has still a greek system that runs everything from Student Government on down called "The Machine" that is responsible for some pathetic stuff on that campus. Remember the physical assault and harassment of Gov. Riley's daughter in the 90's when she ran as an independent? they even burned a cross! how pathetic can you get! that let to the SGA being suspended
Yes, the Medical College was here before UAB it was what created UAB so I ask this question....when it took off why didn't UA try to steer the research money to their campus?..Do we ever see much come out of UA in terms of actual research anyways its kinda rare I never hear much.
How is that UA gets the best business school but like the originator of the post said UAB was blocked?...UAB IS harder than UA though you have to admit that our classes are harder and more is required to gain a UAB degree , most majors are now requiring courses in Methods of Research and Statistics both of which are NOT offered at UA and are fairly tough.
Just cause UA is not ranked on the party school list doesn't mean its not one it hasn't cleaned up its act much.
And why is that no UAB alumnus has ever served on the BOT?...
Justice_Blazer Wrote:UAB is currently ranked on the Best Hosptials List:
6th in rheumatology
heart and heart surgery (14th)
gynecology (14th)
kidney disease (17th)
cancer (23rd); and orthopedics (47th)
UA has still a greek system that runs everything from Student Government on down called "The Machine" that is responsible for some pathetic stuff on that campus. Remember the physical assault and harassment of Gov. Riley's daughter in the 90's when she ran as an independent? they even burned a cross! how pathetic can you get! that let to the SGA being suspended
Yes, the Medical College was here before UAB it was what created UAB so I ask this question....when it took off why didn't UA try to steer the research money to their campus?..Do we ever see much come out of UA in terms of actual research anyways its kinda rare I never hear much.
How is that UA gets the best business school but like the originator of the post said UAB was blocked?...UAB IS harder than UA though you have to admit that our classes are harder and more is required to gain a UAB degree , most majors are now requiring courses in Methods of Research and Statistics both of which are NOT offered at UA and are fairly tough.
Just cause UA is not ranked on the party school list doesn't mean its not one it hasn't cleaned up its act much.
And why is that no UAB alumnus has ever served on the BOT?...
There are 2 UAB alumni on the BoT.
The money wasn't steered towards Tuscaloosa because that would have killed the medical school. Major medical research centers are always in the center of large cities. Johns Hopkins is in Baltimore. Harvard in Boston. Wash U in St. Louis. You don't get to be the best if you don't have a massive patient base surrounding you.
And to think, if Prothro had come to the 'ham instead of letting those butchers at DCH hack at him, he might be further along on his road to recovery.
There's irony here, I just know it.
Justice_Blazer Wrote:UAB is currently ranked on the Best Hosptials List:
6th in rheumatology
heart and heart surgery (14th)
gynecology (14th)
kidney disease (17th)
cancer (23rd); and orthopedics (47th)
UA has still a greek system that runs everything from Student Government on down called "The Machine" that is responsible for some pathetic stuff on that campus. Remember the physical assault and harassment of Gov. Riley's daughter in the 90's when she ran as an independent? they even burned a cross! how pathetic can you get! that let to the SGA being suspended
Yes, the Medical College was here before UAB it was what created UAB so I ask this question....when it took off why didn't UA try to steer the research money to their campus?..Do we ever see much come out of UA in terms of actual research anyways its kinda rare I never hear much.
How is that UA gets the best business school but like the originator of the post said UAB was blocked?...UAB IS harder than UA though you have to admit that our classes are harder and more is required to gain a UAB degree , most majors are now requiring courses in Methods of Research and Statistics both of which are NOT offered at UA and are fairly tough.
Just cause UA is not ranked on the party school list doesn't mean its not one it hasn't cleaned up its act much.
And why is that no UAB alumnus has ever served on the BOT?...
Yeah, there is a group of greek organizations called the machine but the only real power they weild is to organize their organizations to vote in mass for Machine supported canidates for SGA, homecoming, etc. Basically the popular kids are making sure popular kids win elections that no one really cares about. HAve members of the "Machine" been involved in some despicable actions? Yes, but most of the members condemned the actions and the illegal acts have been few in far between in its history.
Not sure how you are proving that UAB is harder than UA. I have taken multiple undergraduate classes at both campuses and found little difference between the two. Furthermore, I am not sure what you are talking about UA not having Statistics classes. Both schools are equally tough and the undergraduate degrees are worth the exact same. If you can find me any statistical proof that (figure you should be able to since you are required to take Methods of Research and Statistics) prove that UAB is harder than I am more than willing to listen.
UA is no more a party school than any other similar sized public institution. This may come as a shock to you but UAB students have been known to drink and party during the week just like UA students.
UAB is no better and by no means any worse than UA as an academic institution. They are both very fine institutions that anyone should be proud to graduate from.